tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post950434914736877535..comments2023-11-27T23:30:40.341-05:00Comments on Anything But Theist: Snippet: “Sexism” in AtheismAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-9254918775361490672012-03-03T05:45:49.261-05:002012-03-03T05:45:49.261-05:00I don't know, that might hurt his feelings.I don't know, that might hurt his feelings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-32324405219531902492012-03-02T22:57:19.043-05:002012-03-02T22:57:19.043-05:00Well... can we at least label Rush Limbaugh as sex...Well... can we at <i>least</i> label Rush Limbaugh as sexist?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-59518159015536857922012-03-02T12:29:02.739-05:002012-03-02T12:29:02.739-05:00I agree, we shouldn't label anyone "sexis...I agree, we shouldn't label anyone "sexist." The difficulty lies in politely conveying the message that a certain behavior props up sexism without getting so academic and long-winded that you lose your audience. There is also such a thing as being too concerned about politeness. It's a fine line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-56888746233067279512012-03-02T09:57:33.964-05:002012-03-02T09:57:33.964-05:00Why not just say, "I disagree?" Do we ha...Why not just say, "I disagree?" Do we have to label someone a "sexist" or a society/subculture as "sexist?" Doing so is just a tactic, not a solution, and it's a tactic not aimed at correcting any problem, but at demonizing and defaming someone or some group.<br /><br />Feel free to chime in at any point. I always check my comments (regardless of how old the post or how many other comments were made).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-49522904162289547742012-03-02T08:04:16.896-05:002012-03-02T08:04:16.896-05:00I'm reluctant to chime in now that the comment...I'm reluctant to chime in now that the comments thread has hit novel length, but! I will anyway. "Sexism" is never an individual act, it's not even an act at all. "Sexual discrimination" is. Sexual discrimination can be directed toward both men and women at an individual level, whereas sexism is a societal problem - the problem being that the members of one sex, as a group, have less power (by virtue of their sex, not just by some highly improbable coincidence).<br /><br />The fact that it's common to describe a single person as "sexist" confuses the issue, in my mind - Dawkins, for example, is not a society-wide problem, he's a person. He probably doesn't even practice sexual discrimination in daily life. I would love to find a convenient term to represent the real problem a lot of feminists, like myself, have with what he said, but the problem with convenient terms is they end up sounding like character assassinations no matter how pure your intentions are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-51381355673615110022012-03-01T18:11:58.099-05:002012-03-01T18:11:58.099-05:00You asked a question about why I believe something...You asked a question about why I believe something I don't... how would you like me to answer that?<br /><br />How would you answer those who say you're a serial rapist?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-39496567792618537322012-03-01T18:10:47.400-05:002012-03-01T18:10:47.400-05:00Good job at avoiding the question.
And why? Peopl...Good job at avoiding the question.<br /><br />And why? People like yourself.Coryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441788487288631828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-24880916542923289402012-03-01T15:02:03.166-05:002012-03-01T15:02:03.166-05:00You do a great job of dumbing down everything you&...You do a great job of dumbing down everything you've said so far. If you want me to believe you're dumb, you succeeded.<br /><br />Maybe you should read what I have written (which doesn't include the claim that sexism doesn't happen) before you come here sounding like a dipshit, asking irrelevant questions.<br /><br />Why do you think atheism has a sexism problem when it clearly is isolated incidents perpetrated by individuals?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-61940571982952468122012-03-01T14:38:55.411-05:002012-03-01T14:38:55.411-05:00Bret: Did I say that? No. So rather than simply tr...Bret: Did I say that? No. So rather than simply trying to avoid my question by asking another, how about you actually try and answer it.<br /><br />I'm not sure how to dumb down the question any more for you.<br /><br />You say you've never seen the sexism happening, but then you admit that you've never been anywhere you see see things like what Sarah describes has happened to her.<br /><br />Therefore, how can you say that you know it is not happening when you've never even tried to make the necessary observations?<br /><br />Is this really too difficult a question for you?Coryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441788487288631828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-15576433433253752712012-03-01T12:48:26.581-05:002012-03-01T12:48:26.581-05:00so only people who go to atheist conventions are p...so only people who go to atheist conventions are part of the "atheist community?" Interesting because I am part of a big atheist community (a specific one that is for atheists who are former orthodox jews) and our entire "community" is online. I think online communities are just as much "communities" as are people who go to real life conventions or whatever. Think about it, conventions happen what, once a year? The real community is the online presence where people keep in touch when they aren't at the conferences.Abandoning Edenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12696116071749613265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-76160755474484370852012-02-29T21:29:26.815-05:002012-02-29T21:29:26.815-05:00It was a hell of a leap day.It was a hell of a leap day.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-28713529140497452292012-02-29T21:23:58.206-05:002012-02-29T21:23:58.206-05:0096 comments? WTF96 comments? WTFGun-Toting Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16257243603888510320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-39325370479908210812012-02-29T18:05:25.044-05:002012-02-29T18:05:25.044-05:00Are you saying I'm not part of the atheist com...Are you saying I'm not part of the atheist community?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-89548859384549709182012-02-29T18:04:33.990-05:002012-02-29T18:04:33.990-05:00First you admit above that you don't hardly go...First you admit above that you don't hardly go to atheist events and here you're saying you've only seen the debates hashed out in blogs, so why in the name of Sagan's dragon would you even *presume* to think you know whether or not there is sexism in the atheist community better than people who actually engage in and with the community in real life events? *boggle*Coryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441788487288631828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-13945232225204161262012-02-29T16:36:39.824-05:002012-02-29T16:36:39.824-05:00Well, it's quiet... almost too quiet...
So, I...Well, it's quiet... almost too quiet...<br /><br />So, I'm out to get groceries. If you leave a comment, I won't be able to get back to you for awhile.<br /><br />And thanks to Andy, The Nerd, for all the visitors.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-25527301967354157792012-02-29T16:18:57.542-05:002012-02-29T16:18:57.542-05:00Okay, that wasn't fair...
There's nothing...Okay, that wasn't fair...<br /><br />There's nothing wrong with opposing sexist atheists, but at some point people need to acknowledge that sexism is an individual act, even if individuals other than the one doing it (witnesses, friends, etc.) don't speak to the problem people.<br /><br />I don't think you'll ever get atheists to be less condescending, though. That's a lost cause. We should stick to rooting out the sexist atheists.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-34880908313416218972012-02-29T16:17:04.213-05:002012-02-29T16:17:04.213-05:00They're too busy attacking fellow atheists.They're too busy attacking fellow atheists.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-63823587203310089292012-02-29T16:16:16.996-05:002012-02-29T16:16:16.996-05:00Thanks for the comment Larry.
I know Dawkins is p...Thanks for the comment Larry.<br /><br />I know Dawkins is probably not sexist, but you can't convince people of that after Elevatorgate. You see... he didn't think it was sexism to ask a woman out in an elevator, I guess because it is. It's creepy and borderline intimidating (small, enclosed space and all), but sexist it was not. Dawkins isn't sexist for pointing that out, but you cannot convince certain people otherwise.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-9092399012786736592012-02-29T16:16:11.617-05:002012-02-29T16:16:11.617-05:00it is 4:11 EST here in Charleston, SC, the most se...it is 4:11 EST here in Charleston, SC, the most sexist state in the nation with the fewest number of women elected to any public office of any state and per capita representation Larry_Carter_Center@yahoo.com 843-926-1750 if ya'll don't like patriarchy, run for office to replace the theocrat males & disgusting females like Ann Coulter or Phyliss Schafly or Sarah Palin or Laura Ingraham dominating tv & radio. Fight these creeps by calling into their live broadcasts or into their offices.... we will never gain respect as Atheists without confrontations with our enemies...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-17408907688936572012012-02-29T16:14:06.352-05:002012-02-29T16:14:06.352-05:00So... you're saying you want us to be more sex...So... you're saying you want us to be <b>more</b> sexist?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-46673171795808403492012-02-29T16:10:14.826-05:002012-02-29T16:10:14.826-05:00Ok Atheists, let's get real here. 1. Dawkins ...Ok Atheists, let's get real here. 1. Dawkins represents his books, Foundation & those Atheists he works with, NOT THE Atheist Community or Atheism. 2. Where is the judge & jury that has adjudicated Dawkins for any sexism? How many here have been Atheist leaders over 4 decades with some credentials fighting our sexist patriarchal defacto theocracy? Nice to see internet activist Atheists here, but all the name calling & childish posts & reposts is the only EMBARRASSMENT to Atheism or our community I'd pay attention to today. 843-926-1750 Larry Carter Center fighting theocrats & fascists since 1964Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-59129822164810420262012-02-29T16:09:02.211-05:002012-02-29T16:09:02.211-05:00I am glad we can be less sexist. What a good examp...I am glad we can be less sexist. What a good example of our community. Maybe next We can be less racist and less condescending.<br /><br />After all being less of something should be the goal. Like less of a loser in baseball or less wealthy, or less educated.Thom Truehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14092890016584438229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-41846946576194272732012-02-29T16:06:19.967-05:002012-02-29T16:06:19.967-05:00Dear The world,
A shocking number of people appar...Dear The world,<br /><br />A shocking number of people apparently did care what I think (more than I thought was warranted for such a short post).<br /><br />And I would fuck off, but I wouldn't want to be accused of sexually harassing off.<br /><br />- BretAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-14583867605477716192012-02-29T16:05:01.134-05:002012-02-29T16:05:01.134-05:00I'm telling people to stop trying to shame ath...I'm telling people to stop trying to shame atheists into being brow-beaten. It's making some people deny sexism exists at all in the atheist community.<br /><br />I'm fine with acknowledging there are sexist atheists, but the degree to which I see complaints being discussed on a constant basis on some blogs has me doubting it myself. That isn't good.<br /><br />Name names, give examples, and end the "atheism has sexism issues" vague bullshit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02504734487692109101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5721082653718997788.post-44957828186745070372012-02-29T16:03:28.565-05:002012-02-29T16:03:28.565-05:00Nobody fucking cares what you think, Bret. Now ple...Nobody fucking cares what you think, Bret. Now please fuck off. <br /><br />-- The worldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com