Wednesday, July 27, 2011

I Hate The Military

Sometimes, I just feel like writing a post I know will get people to stop reading my blog. I don’t do it for this purpose, rather, I generally keep thoughts like this bottled up until it gets to a point where I can’t stand it and I have to say something.

If you’re in a hurry, and you don’t want to read the whole of this post, you can basically get the idea from one simple phrase: fuck the military.

A lot of our budget problems derive from the military and it’s overly-generous compensation program. I have sat politely while I watched teachers get maligned in the media for months over their cushy government jobs and benefit packages. Teachers used to be off-limits for criticism, because they have a tough job and they really are not compensated enough for what they put up with and how important they are to our society.

On the other hand, the military does nothing for us. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Not a single fucking thing the military has done in my entire lifetime has been justified or been for the betterment of the country. In fact, I would extend that and add that nothing the military has done in my baby boomer parents’ lifetime was worth doing.

The American military doesn’t protect America, they endanger it. The military is full of a bunch of scum bags who wouldn’t get a real job, so they took a cushy government paycheck to go play GI Joe in countries where they don’t belong. I won’t even get into the fact that rape is a grossly ignored crime near US military bases around the world, but that’s a fact worth at least mentioning, because it really puts the “America’s finest” in the proper light for the rest of the discussion.

Ultimately, the military is all about rape. It’s about seeing something we want and just taking it, regardless of the feelings of others.

And don’t try feeding me any of this “patriotism” bullshit. I was 17 on 9/11. I knew kids who enlisted and went off to fight. They were idiots before 9/11, they were idiots after 9/11, and they were idiots for going off to fight Bush’s wars. I have zero sympathy for idiots. I was not a particularly bright kid, but I and many people I knew were plainly able to see through the propaganda.

The people who go off to fight are violent assholes who just want to be paid to kill people, or they’re jerk-offs who want to use the military to provide them with something the rest of us deserve for not being vile murderers, like a free college education and training.

Republicans always bitch and moan about how America is being turned into a communist country, but the main organization that is socialized in the US is the military. They get everything provided for them at tax payer expense, including medical care, despite a complete lack of need for such a large military. These socialized soldiers, military mooches, and communist killers are bleeding this country dry.

In these tough budgetary times, I think we need to gut the entire military. We don’t need a standing army that costs hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and that’s the cost when we aren’t even at war. The trillions in debt Bush and Obama have run up while playing terrorist hide-and-seek for the last 10 years is money spent on killing innocent people that could have been used to rebuild our crumbling nation.

I’m sick and tired of everyone kissing the ass of the military. If you’re in the military, here’s what I want you to do: put a bullet in your head. And do it right, so you die, because I won’t want to be paying for a damned vegetable on life-support. And if you have a problem with my views or my tone, maybe it’s because you have no clue what’s going on.

The enemy is within. The military isn’t here to protect us, it’s here to protect itself. The military fights in order to fight forever, not to bring peace. The military has no interest in bringing peace, because peace is bad for business. Militaries don’t go to war against each other, they go to war with each other, because every military in the world is allied together against the rest of us, working solely to convince peace-loving individuals that their hard-earned money should go towards a bunch of violent murderers.

This is the reality of the military: it is America’s biggest gang of thugs, and they deserve nothing from anyone except contempt.

219 comments:

  1. I look forward to anonymous disapproval. I would expect nothing less from cowards.

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    1. Your such an asshole. Fuck you. Those soldiers give you the freedom to say bullshit hate like that. They fight for YOU yes you a looser with no hold on reality that absolutely hates them for risking their life for you. Go to hell because thats what they do for work. They go to hell for you and because they love their country.

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    2. No body asked anybody to go to hell.

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    3. You are to Atheism what The Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity...mindless ass clowns starving for attention. I am thoroughly amazed you have time to run such a productive website, for I am confident you and your wife are pillars of society. I can only imagine that you are both physicians, traveling the world providing humanitarian aid to those in need (or something of the like).
      All sarcasm aside...good luck to you and your wife in Community College. I am sure you will work your way up to middle management at your local Wal Mart...you will only be a door greeter for a little while longer...keep your chin up, champ.

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    4. Last night some dumb ass soldier wife decided to pick a fight with my wife over not liking war. The soldier chimed in to scream at her too. Only thing you can do is back away slowly, because these people are legalized serial killers. They don't like individuals. They are brainwashed and opportunistic fuckers who deserve no more respect than the common gang criminal.

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    5. Im a veteran and I agree with a large percent of what B.A. is saying. Patriotism is not a virtue. I wasnt defending democracy when I was in South America. The men in the Middle East (from our military) aren't doing it either. If it was that important, the people of USA should have directly hired someone to do the dirty work. But B.A., my check wasn't that great!

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    6. Blogger your are a fat piece of shit who can't get laid less make the cut for military service. You think you are smart and a great man but we all know you are a pussy. You're fat worthless ass only cares about yourself and the government cheese you collect. You complain soldiers have a "easy" job are you fucking serious? You are delusional and ignorant. You have no right to rip on soldiers. At least they have some fucking balls. You on the other hand have no respect or knowledge of military service. In closing, It is beneath me to even respond to your pathetic blog. Yet I did, you want to be a thinker, this is obvious. Why then do you spew party line bullshit on your blog? Do you want people to take you seriously? Veterans don't need this kind of shit. Maybe try to help vets who got fucked over, young kids who made the mistake of getting involved?

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    7. I agree. The military is fucking stupid and full of people who should've be euthanized long ago. And take it from someone who was in the military. And I'd like to restate what he said: IF YOU ARE IN THE MILITARY, TAKE YOUR WEAPON, PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH, AND BLOW YOUR FUCKING BRAINS OUT!!

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    8. I'm IN The army and I totally agree. The army has always given me boatloads of money when I needed it for school or just needed a job. I've been enlisted and I'm currently an officer and I've been to Iraq and Afghanistan. I've been trying to get it through the thick skulls of my colleagues and little old ladies who stop me and thank me for "keeping us free" by entangling us in conflicts where we have no business or interest, meanwhile draining the public coffers so we can villainize poor people who have the audacity to ask for health care or higher minimum wage. All of "us" military folk live under the right wing mantra that socialism is evil, regardless of their government paycheck, housing, stores, and healthcare. They sicken me. I can't wait until my contract is up. I've always felt this way but the money is too damn good.

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    9. Anonymous replies? Hehe.. Not here. Are you attempting to be the most obnoxious display of ignorance or what? The only part of your post where you show any sign of inteligence is where you admit you are not that bright. I would invite a honest debate over how you think america would be better off with zero miltary for the last 60-80 years but, I sincerely doubt your ability to discuss and comprehend the concept of liberty and freedom that your were BORN into much like a prince born into royalty. Its easy for you to trash talk the very country that offers you the means and freedom to do so but, would you be so lucky in say Iran? China? North Korea? Again, going on your tone and previous thoughts alone, I highly doubt you have any inclination of how we (USA) differ from those countries and many others so, you would/will probably answer in a ignorant manner. I would challenge you though to visit (not even move to or change citizenship to) those three countries I mentioned for a month each. I would like you to identify yourself as a citizen of the united states to authorities and tell them that their country and military is worthless. Then please proceed to tell them how their teachers are not paid enough and their country is all wrong... Or even better yet, go and try to recruit citizens in those countries to express their disagreement with their governments politics and policies openly/publicly on the internet.
      Ultimately, I'm pretty sure I am wasting my time writing this since you dont have any concept of why your are even still alive and well after believing and saying what you did. It is because of the very military you so despise keeping pace with technology and abilities of modern times to thwart attempts by those other countries that dont believe in personal liberties and freedoms. The reason america is so hated by some and envied by the rest is because our citizens have "rights" that are not supposed to be challenged ever by our government. If your are born poor in america or even if your are from another country, we offer legal ways to better your life and participate in government. In these other countries I mentioned, I guarantee if your not born into a political or royal class you and your offspring will never have a say.

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    10. Why do all of you people hate the military? I don't understand why would you hate them. They never did anything to you. And enough with your smartass you don't know anything about our soldiers coming home from a war. Don't asume them that they enjoyed kiling people and getting paid. They kill for their own defense, their team's defense and also while taking orders. They fight in harsh conditions and they deal with it while your stupid ass is complaining about them. They fight and die for each other and don't say they die for the money, oil, and all the other crap that you can't prove. You're not even an American, you're just a stupid lowlife piece of shit because you can't even accomplish shit in life. They sign a blank check to go out and make sure that your freedom is safe. Go fucking live in Iraq or Afghanistan or something. If you fucking hate the military SO MUCH why won't you go bomb a military base or something. The only reason why you can say this is because you'll know that you'll never stand foot to foot with a real soldier and confront him with everything you just said.

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    11. There are many things wrong with your statement. You present an argument for a certain point of view, yet you make no attempt to show the other point of view, potential rights and wrongs with it, and how your point of view is better. No, all you do is talk about your hatred of a certain group of people which really only serves to weaken your argument to all but other like minded individuals. Your comments show that you attempt to speak from a position of superior morals and thinking, yet you can't even do simple research to validate your accusations of US service members. You could even use Wikipedia to check your claims and your argument would at least sound more informed. You go on to make assumptions of the educational level, mental and emotional state, and financial background or a group of people you have most likely never had any dealings with. Lastly, you tell anyone in the military reading your garbage to kill themselves. Suicide is a big problem in the military and many Soldiers that were more of a man than you will ever be made that decision because they could not deal with seeing their brothers-in-arms killed, or they themselves did not think they could deal with their experiences. One of those Soldiers I knew personally, and his loss had a great impact on all that knew him. It is fortunate that you and I should never meet, because if you had made those same comments to my face, or any other veteran's face for that matter, I can guarantee that you would wake up in the hospital, if you woke up at all. And no, kicking your ass would not be an emotionally driven response from a "dumb baby killer." No, I am happy that you are so enthusiastic about exercising your First Amendment rights, but your ignorance, and your lack of simple respect for other people would warrant such a response, and I take no shame in stating that I would derive a sort of personal satisfaction from beating the t-total shit out of a little prick like yourself who made the mistake of insulting my honor. Do yourself a favor, the next time you decide to go online and post a blog about your hatred for a group of people who you obviously have a deep envy of, do some fucking research, you may find that your views are narrow and based purely in fiction.

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    12. I am speechless. I have never read an article with which I agree this much. Nice work!

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    13. Agreed. A soldier is a contract killer. A person who discards their own humanity to murder other human beings, all while being paid.

      If you kill people, then you better be ready to be killed yourself.

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    14. Amen to all of this. I absolutely hate those welfare leeching queens in the military. They are blind pieces of shit who deserve all the negativity this world can offer.

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    15. Anyone who thinks the military is protecting our rights and blah blah blah..the freedoms we have is just arrogant and blindsided to facts and truths that lie within the the military functioning society. You never heard in Desert Storm about protecting our freedoms and shoving it down our throats like they do today. All the U.S. government pricks have to do is to give an order to take over a city in the United States and those same soldiers will not only trampled our rights but take them away. They made a choice to join up and serve the government, not the American people. the American people pay their bills so fuck'em. They cry when they get hurt in war and praise themselves for killing other people that they are claiming to be terrorist. Finding out they are just farmers that have been disrupted by American and wealthy elite trying to take control of everything on this planet. The only people that glorify death are people that are brain dead in the first place. Hey! Let's start dropping bombs in their kids backyards and see how somehow glorify that. 911 was done by a highly controlled elite individuals that hired terrorist because they are too much of a pussy to do it themselves. Military should protect homeland not a wasteland of sand. Don't see the declaration of independence laying in the sand, it's locked up in a vault. It's an idea not a tangible entity. Our tax money is being sucked away by war mongers and whomever joins the military today or ten years ago, did just that, sucked it dry.

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  2. Have you read Company K? There's a passage called the "The Unknown Soldier" that I think you'd like. My 11th grade history teacher read it to us in the months that followed 9/11. You've just reminded me of it.

    While I wouldn't say I hope anyone commits suicide, I do think the military is problematic in many different ways. I also think you're right to point out how ridiculous it is to expect the military to limit itself. That's just not gonna happen. There's big business in war. And like prisons, that means more warm bodies (and tax dollars) will always be needed. I don't really hold it against individual soldiers though. It's not like they have the power to change the system. The original GI bill disproportionally helped white soldiers and can be considered the largest affirmative action program this country has ever created so there are definitely reasons for it to be criticized, but I have a hard time judging people who use the military to get out of poverty.

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    1. "I have a hard time judging people who use the military to get out of poverty."

      So you're fine with poor people who kill lots of people for money. That's what you just said. Fuck YOU.

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    2. I think you are right for most of it, but the idea that soldiers should kill themselves is where I'd disagree and say your post goes from a thoughtful rant to a hate speech.

      I agree that I don't see the expense we put into the military as important now as is paying for our debts, education,science and research, and even nuclear defense programs.

      I think nukes made war obsolete. If we keep developing Emp bombs, neutron bombs, etc etc we wouldn't need so vast of a military. Just a few thousand men at the trigger.

      I don't believe we were meant to have a standing army, I think the right the bare arms was a concept enlisted to bring about the idea that every citizen was a soldier, and representative of their country.

      I am all for an isolationist foreign policy in terms of, what happens over there isn't our problem. The founding fathers believed we should be a light on a hill. That means as a society we must lead by example and not forced coercion.

      I don't see soldiers as protecting our freedom, I see a lot of dumb kids that wanted opportunities and girls. They didn't know what to do with their life so they hopped on a bus and shipped off to boot camp till they could figure it out.

      The ultimate truth though is that whatever blood, and wars come and happen, is on our hands. All our hands. Because we elected these politicians, we voted and our majority sang along.

      The soldiers are the gun, it's easy to blame the gun and not the man behind the gun.

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  3. I have written about how the military is not brave and altruistic for accepting the job the government offered.

    My audience was not amused.

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  4. I don't really hold it against individual soldiers though. It's not like they have the power to change the system.

    How can you not hold individuals accountable for the actions they take? To me, this would be tantamount to saying, "Well, I don't blame police officers/prison guards/any profession for the abuse individuals perpetrate." I do not accept the Nuremberg excuse. Just because someone was "following orders" does not excuse any individual involved from blame, and they should be ashamed of what they do, even those who are merely accomplices and do not engage in direct conflict.

    I have a hard time judging people who use the military to get out of poverty.

    I guess I don't. I also blame people who use other forms of crime to get out of poverty. In fact, I would rather most of these soldiers robbed others at gunpoint, because less people die in robberies than war. Also, statistics indicate that the military is not disproportionately poor.

    I have written about how the military is not brave and altruistic for accepting the job the government offered.

    Tell me about it. I will never forget the hypocrisy that ran rampant after 9/11, where the terrorists were "cowards" for what they did, while our airmen who dropped bombs high above danger or launched missiles from miles away were "heroes" for their method of slaughtering innocent people.

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    1. if individuals aren't held accountable no one will ever be, They are a million personal choices that made this how it is now.

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    2. It used to be when you go on vacation, you were able to actually see and partially experience the life and environment of the vacationing spot you choose. Not today. Thanks to the United States military every American is a target and always looking over their shoulders and preparing for something bad just in case uncle Sam decides to invade a small city or country all in the of terrorist. You gotta hand it too the terrorist though, they keep it real. They actually announce what they prepare to do over the internet and on their local TV. But uncle shit head Sam with all it's glory will not inform the public of these announcements of terrorist groups warning people about who their enemies are and where. These people glorifying war have to have a big following because it convinces them in their pathetic twisted minds that they are not alone, that is up until one of them gets left behind and finds out the pain and misery that is inflicted by the U.S. military. Going into another country and turning it into a war zone of death and destruction over a dozen terrorist and spending tax money till it's depleted is insane. For anyone that glorifies war as an acceptance of normalcy is themselves insane. Just because a soldier makes it out of a war zone alive does not make him a hero, it just means he got out alive. You can give a person all the medals you like but in the end it's all just dust in the wind and has no meaning whatsoever. Brainwashed and diluted, that's all it is, brainwashed and diluted sheeple's. We should be concentrating on renewable energy and future technology and actually implementing to that cause and not the death of another countries society all in the name of a few twisted minds of voted in politicians and rich corporations. After all they are the one's putting terrorist thoughts into the minds of people and if I was being bombed and my kids where in danger because of it? Yes, I guess the U.S. military would deem me as well as an enemy because I would want revenge as well if my family were slaughtered for the purpose of testing new weapons and selfish policies to control us. I love America but the mentality in the military sucks and no respect is deserved to those that think glorifying an exploding bomb is freedom.

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  5. I'm curious as to how you think other countries, particularly those with Realist foreign policies, would react to the shutdown of our military. Or are white Americans the only people in the world capable of imperialism?

    I agree with you that we need to stop using war as a means of maintaining economic stability, but come the fuck on. What you've said here is horribly wrong.

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    1. He just exampled US military.
      Couldn't all the military thing be stopped ??

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  6. What you've said here is horribly wrong.

    What part in particular?

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    1. Everything you sick bastered.

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    2. Wow, you almost spelled that correctly... almost.

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    3. Listen, the military protects you. Remember all those terrorist attacks? On top of that, they are willing to lay down their lives for you. You find it easy to rant about the military while you're in your nice apartment typing on your keyboard. Guess what? Without the military that wouldn't be there. Before you tell a soldier to die because he is fighting to protect you, remember he is already willing to die for you no matter how many insults you threw at him. I bet you failed your ASVAB, or couldn't make it in to West Point.

      A future Army Officer.

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    4. ^ Shut your gung ho ass up pussy. You military fuckers really think you are actually protecting our rights when you just wear the uniform to carry an assault rifle like GI Joe. Get a real job and stop pretending you're in hollywood, war is evil and so are the militaries behind it.

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    5. If the soldiers want to protect America, the first thing they should do is stop the people who are debasing the money. If they can't do this one simple thing, then they are worthless and should just commit suicide. I agree with this blogger. Troops: kill yourselves, please.

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  7. I suspected this post was coming when you commented on my post about the DoD's proposal to pull a bait-and-switch on veterans and those serving. You may be surprised I'm not offended by your position at all. I don't agree with all of it, but I do much of it.

    One thing you don't seem to be taking into account is that some didn't choose to serve but were drafted. You can argue drafted individuals had a moral responsibility to dodge the draft or accept prison for refusing to serve. I like to think it's what I would've done ... I'm glad I never had to find out. I imagine though that there were many who would have liked to skip off to Canada during the Vietnam era, but didn't have the means. I think it's also likely many felt it was their duty to serve based on the propaganda of the era. If unsophisticated citizens were duped into serving by government misinformation and a complicit corporate media, would you consider them as culpable as the scumbag who signed up because they wanted to get paid to kill the yellow or the brown man?

    I'm also reluctant to dismiss all who serve as being morally bankrupt because I think there's participatory guilt for crimes committed by the military that can be ascribed just as fully to every citizen of the society that votes for politicians who don't actively oppose unjust wars, and guilt enough to go around for every citizen who pays the taxes that fund the military exercises. Whose fault is it Bush and Cheney have not been charged with war crimes yet? Surely congress and the justice department should have acted by now, and they represent us. If we're not calling for accountability for war crimes, if we're even not voting for any politician (if there is one) who promises to hold them accountable, thereby facilitating the election and actions of the traitors who don't enforce our laws, then we all share in that blame equally.

    Many members of my family serve. Many of my friends have served or are serving. I recognize there is a conflict between my love for them and my abhorrence of violence, imperialism, injustice, and murder. I can't, I won't, say "fuck them" because I understand, in most cases, how they got where they are, yet I do not support any of our military interventions of my lifetime. But, I don't blame anyone either for saying many in the military do not deserve our support because they are actively, knowingly participating in what is, IMO, transaparently evil action.

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  8. I suspected this post was coming when you commented on my post

    It was probably a bit of that and this post I did. I was basically still in a vicious place mentally when I wrote this.

    Is there societal guilt here? Without a doubt. There's plenty of blame to be spread around, though to be fair, I am not sure what I could have done when I wasn't even 18 and able to vote when Bush was elected. Still, it's money I paid in taxes funding it all.

    Part of my hostility comes from a place where I see near universal support for something that is wrong. When I see that, it drives me, it angers me, and I find myself unable to pretend by peppering my criticism with lip service for a bunch of murderers who kill people with my money in my name.

    If someone isn't a murderer, if they didn't do it for the reasons I said, they have no reason to feel insulted. But maybe, just maybe, if what I have to say offends someone, it's because there's still a shred of humanity in that individual that is hurt by the truth of what I said. Otherwise, they can just write me off as a hippie who has no clue and go back to enjoying all the benefits they still get for no reason.

    The truth is, we should be able to respect the military. I just don't respect ours at all. This is sort of my feeling on a lot of authority in this country, from the police to politicians. There is a severe lack of respect being earned compared to the respect being demanded.

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  9. Just because someone was "following orders" does not excuse any individual involved from blame, and they should be ashamed of what they do, even those who are merely accomplices and do not engage in direct conflict.

    You totally misrepresented what I meant. I never said people weren't responsible for their actions. It's a bit silly to even jump to that conclusion. I'm not talking about individual soldiers at all because they aren't the problem. The problem lies with the military industrial complex and the people who perpetuate the system. To focus on soldiers is missing the forest for the trees. This is not to say that soldiers who commit terrible acts are wonderful people, but I shouldn't even have to clarify that point. I'm only saying that getting rid of the "violent assholes" isn't gonna solve any of the problems you mentioned.

    Also, I never claimed the military was disproportionately poor.

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  10. I'm not talking about individual soldiers at all because they aren't the problem

    Why? It's not actual soldiers who kill and rape? If anything, that's the one thing the top brass can be absolved of: committing the actual crimes. They're the Charles Mansons in all of this.

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  11. So here's a non-anonymous disapproval.

    Your broad-stroke generalizations read like the ramblings of an uninformed individual carelessly embracing their privilege.

    You're certainly entitled to your opinion and you're correct, to some extent, about the military budget (I'm in favor of lowering it). That said, you made number of statements that are nothing more than bald assertions and some of them so ridiculously misrepresent the facts that they simply have to be corrected.

    "On the other hand, the military does nothing for us. Zero. Zip, Zilch. Not a single fucking thing the military has done in my entire lifetime has been justified or been for the betterment of the country. In fact, I would extend that and add that nothing the military has done in my baby boomer parents’ lifetime was worth doing."

    I have no idea what you consider justified, but I'd argue that not only does the mere presence of a strong military serve to protect the country (which should be justification enough), but the actual actions the military take (some that you wouldn't be aware of, even if you cared to educate yourself) serve this purpose, as well.

    Your case is roughly akin to someone claiming that the police don't actually do anything to protect us, and then trying to support this by pointing to selected cases of abuse.

    "The military is full of a bunch of scum bags who wouldn’t get a real job, so they took a cushy government paycheck to go play GI Joe in countries where they don’t belong."

    Do you have some data to back this up? Can you cite any studios about the competence or character of military members? Have you actually served in a capacity where you had the opportunity to meet and evaluate these individuals to determine if they're scum bags?

    I have. There are most definitely some scum bags in the military. There are, most definitely, some people who couldn't or wouldn't get another job. There are also intelligent, educated, committed people who serve for any number of reasons.

    Incidentally, not only is the job not normally "cushy" but neither is the paycheck - and do you know what the military tends to do to the real scum bags? They get discharged.

    "Ultimately, the military is all about rape. It’s about seeing something we want and just taking it, regardless of the feelings of others."

    This myopic and skewed assessment of the military is absurd. While there's certainly a case to be made that some military decisions have been empire-building in their nature, that's hardly the case for all of them.

    It may interest you to know that many of us who served in the past are unhappy with many of the decisions made with respect to recent military engagements - but few of us would resort to the sort of ridiculous generalizations you've made here.

    Additionally, it's pretty ridiculous for you to presume to sufficiently understand the complexities of the situations to reach an informed decision when it's very likely that even those who are best informed most probably cannot glean more than a rough estimate.

    "The people who go off to fight are violent assholes who just want to be paid to kill people, or they’re jerk-offs who want to use the military to provide them with something the rest of us deserve for not being vile murderers, like a free college education and training."

    So, not being a vile murderer means you deserve a free college education and training? How did you reach that conclusion?

    Also, how do you conclude that the education compensation that one receives for actually doing a job, especially a job that may put your life at risk, qualifies as "free"?

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  12. Continued...

    "These socialized soldiers, military mooches, and communist killers are bleeding this country dry."

    I'm getting really close to just ending my response here...because every few lines that I re-read makes me more convinced that you're simply not worth responding to.

    Which categories am I in? Am I scum bag, a socialized mooch, a communist killer, a violent asshole who wants to be paid to kill people, a jerk-off looking for "free" college or someone who couldn't get a real job?

    Hopefully you'll eventually recognize that you're talking about real people who don't necessarily fit ANY of the libelous labels that you toss around.

    "In these tough budgetary times, I think we need to gut the entire military."

    Of course! What a brilliant idea! I had forgotten that we lived in a Utopian wonderland where we had no need to protect ourselves and our allies from aggressors. How did I miss that change? It's so simple! Let's just get rid of the military that we clearly don't need, and everything will be peachy.

    "If you’re in the military, here’s what I want you to do: put a bullet in your head."

    Fuck you. No, seriously, that's about the only response that such a statement deserves.

    Every now and the, for the sake of fairness (and because some people make it necessary) we do an episode of our show on "stupid atheists". We highlight people who are engaging in particularly stupid lawsuits or who are demonstrating that they don't really understand how to think critically or rationally. We point out conspiracy theory nutjobs and hate mongers and people who are advocating particularly stupid positions - either under the guise of atheism or while linking those actions to an ostensibly atheist/rational platform.

    I'd add you to the list for the next show, except that it's unlikely that your remarks here could have enough impact to make it worth mentioning.

    On that note, I'll request that you remove any links to the ACA or our show. You, of course, don't have to...you're free to link to whatever you like. But it'd be nice if you did.

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    2. Thanks for defending the people who give this asshole the right to say such bullshit he should be ashamed.

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  13. I have liked reading this blog for a while now. As of today that has chnaged due to this comment.

    "I’m sick and tired of everyone kissing the ass of the military. If you’re in the military, here’s what I want you to do: put a bullet in your head. And do it right, so you die, because I won’t want to be paying for a damned vegetable on life-support. And if you have a problem with my views or my tone, maybe it’s because you have no clue what’s going on."

    The men and women who serve do so at their own choice. They risk their lives to make sure your right to free speech is not abridged, no matter how heinous.. If the world catered to your hateful wants and we gutted or ended our military do you think your ability to spout such hate would be free for long?

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    1. Rights like speech are natural and come from our humanity, not from our military. We are born free, not simply allowed to be free by a group of people with guns invading foreign lands. In fact, since money is forcibly taken from people to support the military, a case can be made that the military makes people LESS free, especially if these people oppose violence but must support it anyway. In the end, the only justified use of violence is self-defense, and it's hard to claim self-defense when attacking people in other countries who have done no harm to your country (Libya, Iraq, Yemen). Each soldier who participates is guilty of initiating violence and is eroding freedom.

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  14. If the world catered to your hateful wants and we gutted or ended our military do you think your ability to spout such hate would be free for long?

    Are you seriously trying to tell me that the wars we are in now or in the last 30 years were to "make sure [my] right to free speech is not abridged?" I want to know if you honestly expect me to believe that tripe.

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    1. Costa Rica seems to be doing just fine without a military. So either we don't really need a military to avoid having to learn our foreign masters' language, or "American exceptionalism" is entirely a fraud since a small unremarkable country like Costa Rica can pull off what we consider a pie-in-the-sky fantasy.

      I'm more inclined to believe the former.

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    2. Have you ever looked at an atlas? Costa Rica is fucking tiny compared to the USA and their population? It's as small as your brain. A country without a military works for a smaller country. A larger country, especially a world power, has a gigantic need for a military.

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    3. That is a gross over-simplification. Nobody 'needs' a military to defend our natural rights, ones that aren't privileges. And grow up and stop making ad hominem arguments that have nothing to do with the topic. Get over your ideology you ignorant person.

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  15. My question is if the USA had no military to defend it self do you think you would be able to order the death of the brave men and women who protect your rights?

    Better yet do not answer as I am done here. Your self loathing shows through too much any more in your posts to make it an enjoyable few min of my time to read your rants any longer.

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  16. do you think you would be able to order the death of the brave men and women who protect your rights?

    There's a bit of a difference between telling someone they should kill themselves and "order[ing] the death of" someone. I say this not because I defend my comment, but because you are exaggerating an already regrettable comment.

    And like I said, soldiers aren't "defending my rights," they're fighting wars for rich men who care nothing for them and who think nothing of sending them off to die for fun and profit.

    Maybe I would feel like soldiers were working to protect my rights if they didn't passive-aggressively suggest I don't have the freedom to criticize the military.

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    1. You do dumbass you just did. They protect your right to say shit like that. Nobody says passivly aggressively that you cant. You have the 1st amendement and can say what ever you damn well please. BUT so does everyone else. You evidently have no compassion or care for others less fourtunate than you if you criticise people willing to die for you. You can be a selfish un-greatfull asshole all you want there's no one telling you you can't.

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    2. They aren't protecting me, my freedoms, or really anything but the bottom-line of the rich.

      Cry more.

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  17. Haha, while I think you went a bit overboard on some things, your post was refreshing. Our military hasn't protected us in almost 70 years now, and yet I always hear about what they've done to protect our freedom. I'm pretty sure all these defenders of the free world are now dead, or pretty damn old. Imagine if the debt we've accumulated had been used for research, how much better off would we all be? Spend a trillion on cancer research, alternative energy, drill some wells for thirsty people in Africa. I'd feel better if we spent our money on something that alleviated suffering or helped society in some way instead of funding an organization that's sole purpose is to kill other people.

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  18. I think you went a bit overboard on some things

    I think you win the award for saying I had a public tantrum in the most polite (and perhaps understated) way.

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  19. I commend you. I was in the Army in 1981-1982 but got out as soon as I could. The only reason I ever went in was due to my asshole father demanding I go in. He was a terrible father (lots of abuse by his hand).

    I remember being told on one of our "alerts" (that's when the Army wakes you out of a sound sleep and tells you what could happen) that we could all be going to the Persian Gulf any day. That was in 1982. And people actually try to say it's not about oil.

    I hate the fuckin military as is. I agree completely that they are an organization out of control. I especially despise the robots throughout the military that insist they are keeping us safe through invading countries. Nothing pisses me off more than those idiots.

    The only thing I ask is you have a little patience for the Private (beginning soldier) as many times there just aren't any other financial options available. That was certainly my case. My father literally told me as soon as I turned 18 I was out his door. I had no other choice but the military.

    Bret "Ginx" Alan, I can relate to your level of frustration on the military. I really can. And you probably never saw the military from the insider perspective. I have and I can positively tell you there is plenty of hypocrisy starting from basic training.

    Drugs and violence were pervasive in my short-lived stay. I never did drugs but did witness a Sergeant selling to a fellow Private.

    The Army CID (police unit) told me to let it go when my locker was broken into and goods stolen. Basically, there was no integrity whatsoever in the Army when I was in. Which makes sense considering the things they are involved in since WWII.

    I can't bear to see naive young fools gearing up for the military any more. It frustrates me greatly because I KNOW their life can only get worse...MUCH WORSE... from there on out. Especially nowadays with wars going on. The costs that society pays when these gun-ho dumbasses (yes, there are folks who join the military because they literally want to kill people)come home with combat related PTSD is staggering. There are so many losses involved when a young person chooses killing as a profession (soldier) over whatever sane career choice he eschews in the States.

    Enough of my ranting. It's all true unfortunately.

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    1. Don't forget about the ones who liberally (and with the full approval of their officers) use racial slurs (rag-this, sand-that, camel-this) against the people they kill, and the way they laugh at dead Iraqi women and children (the videos can be found all over the Web if you have the stomach for it).

      American soldiers have a very different reputation from British, Canadian, and other western soldiers. You can blame American gun culture, Southern/redneck war culture, whatever. But there's a very ugly phenomenon there that nobody is addressing.

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  20. Oh man... You are quite the confused little guy, aren't you?

    The truth is a soldier has courage, respect, and honor. It seems these are qualities you're lacking. Love your country and the soldiers that lay down their lives for you to have the freedom to hate them.

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    1. I lay down my life consecutively in the states with my career, and I'm not a part of the military or government ,just a simple hard working individual. The world is just very hard to understand and not many people will admit how corrupt the power from above really is! I have military friends. I am more use-full and commendable then they will ever be. I fix everything they break, put them on the floor when their wrong! and still stand by them while their minds waste away!

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    2. Yes, they do lay down their lives, and yes they do fight for our freedom, but the military also has a dark side. Where there is light, there will be shadows. Not all of them have respect or honor, but I do agree that they have courage.

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  21. You didn't read my blog post, did you?

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  22. How did I miss this post? You should have posted it at SE, would have fit right in!


    TimothyL.7, you are a moron.

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  23. i couldnt agree more. i was raised in a military family any my dad was one of those trigger happy assholes. i always felt that i lost him for no reason.now im grown, i have psychological issues because of it, i cant get a job, im sick and poor. the hardest thing is to watch people piss and moan about the quality of toilet paper used to wipe a veterans ass while i never got so uch as a thank you for giving my dad.

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    1. Well according to this dumbass your dad got just what he deserved.

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  24. I thank you for the sacrifice you had to endure, by no choice of your own.

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  25. So it's OK to allow illegal immigrants into this country who use up our resources without bothering to get licenses or insurance or pay taxes. Maybe drug trafficking really is cool. Oh and all those guys who risk their lives (whom the military protects) to fish the very food that the people in this country eat are just reckless, huh? If a boat capsizes in the middle of the ocean - we should just wish them good luck! The military is responsible for A LOT more than serving in unjust wars! Sadly, it is only those wars and those deaths that the media in this country deem fit to share with the public.

    You're entitled to your opinion...something is country ALLOWS its citizens to do. However, you go too far when you tell a military member to put a bullet into his/her head. Seems military-members aren't the only "trigger happy assholes", huh?

    It's absurd to expect that EVERY member of the military be a perfect, model citizen. Yes, they are held to a certain standard but there are bad service members - just like there are bad cops, bad lawyers, etc. We're all human regardless of our profession. However, every single one of them is in fact held accountable for their actions! You don't agree with war, take it up with your congressman....but don't judge the people who are paid to do a job they chose and that they do willingly & lovingly and are burdened with sacrifices that you'll probably never know about (this coming from someone who knows!).

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  26. Your just sad. Read a little history, and leave the country. You don't deserve to live here. Have a bad day!

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  27. Ah, no one whines like fans of the military.

    Thanks for all the links to this post, by the way.

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  28. You sir, are an idiot.

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  29. Anon,

    I see why you posted as anonymous. Your argument it weaker than weak. Only an idiot would make the argument that someone else is an idiot and stop there. Do you have any rebuttal or is that it?

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    1. Meh. I see his point, I just also see beyond it.

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    2. Only an idiot would call a post consisting of "You sir, are an idiot" an argument.

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    3. I thought you made a strong case.

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  30. Anon,

    I concede that you understand idiocy better than I.

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  31. I've been in the Army for two years now, I agree with everything you say, except for how you categorize soldiers. They're not blood thirsty killing assholes. They're the same people you went to high school with. There's people who talk like your blog in the army. Most of the military is fuelers, medics, mechanics, supply, finance, water specialists, chaplin assistants, electronic repair, communications, engineers, paper pushers, etc, people who do their 6am-5pm job and go home. You make us sound like crazy terrorists. I joined the army for adventure, and I've been in Korea the last year. There's few places in the world I believe we should wage wars, and the middle east is definitely not one of them. I wish the military would withdraw from all the countries outside the U.S., and just use us to help build our infrastructure. But the government would never allow that. And I have no clue where you got that rape statistic. There were two rapes here by soldiers this year in korea, which made a new policy that puts a strict curfew on the entire peninsula. Those soldiers are facing 15+ years in korean jail. Korea is known for its soldier rape incidents, which about 1-2 every few years. But you make it sound like it's going on everyday. But ya, almost everyone in the army is against the war, we just have no choice of going or not, unless you want a dishonorable discharge, which screws you for life.

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    1. Why should my taxes be paying the accomplices as well as the criminals themselves? It is of little difference to me why someone joined the military, or what they do once they're in it, suffice to say they are touring around on my dime doing things I would rather they not do.

      Just as an example: I had a neighbor growing up who did midair refueling of planes. He never killed anyone... but he sure helped people who did. Should I be okay with his huge Air Force paychecks being doled out for aiding and abetting war crimes?

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    2. The rape statistic is wrong. First I've never heard any statistic like that either, and after conducting a cursory google search I couldn’t find anything supporting that. If you are going to make a claim like that I think it should be cited. So if you have the link I would love to see it. But I don’t really need to.

      When you look at statistics there is always an issue with causation versus correlation. You are implying that the increased number of rapes around military bases is caused by the fact that military people are rapists. But you are ignoring demographics. For example, I found the following from an FBI profile of a "typical" rapist:
      a. Typically males (approximately 99%)
      b. 75% of rapists are under the age of 25
      c. Typically a high school graduate with some college possible

      Now compare that to typical demographics from someone in the military included below:
      a. 85% Male
      b. 47% of the military is under the age of 30
      c. Typically (93%) high school graduates with some college

      As you can see there is a strong correlation between the demographics. Therefore, the conclusion should not be that all military people are rapists; rather the conclusion should be that there is an increased incident of rapes near military bases due to the fact that the demographics overlap to such a large degree. If you were to find another industry with similar demographics that tended to be isolated geographically, you would most certainly see an increased number of rapes in that area as well. This would not be due to the fact that those in the industry were rapists, but rather due to the strong correlation between the demographics.

      As my old statistics professor used to say, use statistics for good, but never for evil. In this case you have used statistics for evil. You have brought great shame upon my chosen profession.

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    3. That's weird, because my ethics professor would say it's wrong to blame your demographics for your actions. I say that military bases bring with them increased crime, you say "boys will be boys."

      Noted.

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    4. You either didn’t bother reading my post, or didn’t understand it. In no way did I imply that you could blame demographics on your actions, or say "boys will be boys".

      I said that any study sighting an increased rate of rapes near military bases was most likely flawed because it didn’t take demographics into account. It is therefore misleading to draw conclusions from such a study.

      I also asked you provide a link or cite your source. If you do that, I would gladly read the study and point out the logical flaws with its execution.

      You failed to respond to both my request and my point. You should have taken fewer ethics classes and more statistics.

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    5. Also, as a side note, I have noticed while reading your blog, that you frequently reply to posters offering points of view that don’t align with yours by misrepresenting their argument. I find this very hypocritical.

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    6. I read your initial reply on my phone and the link didn't show, so I apologize for saying you didn't meet my request for a link to the study. I will read it in a few days and post a reply.

      I took a look at the first few paragraphs and noticed the author actually said the demographics was most likely the cause, so I'm not sure there is much to argue about there.

      Your conclusion is still invalid.

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    7. It's so strange... other organizations with young people like universities don't have the problem the military has... maybe because college doesn't attract killers.

      There are studies showing that military personnel, both during service and after, are more likely to be criminals than their peers. These studies take into account demographics, and if you knew anything about peer-reviewed studies, you'd know that they cover such elementary aspects of statistics.

      Your argument is no argument at all, it's merely an appeal to pseudo-intellectualism. The military is full of criminals, get over it.

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    8. Actually, the study's author in the article you linked cited an increased rate of crime near universities as an example of why there was most likely a demographics influence on the study and as a reason why you would not want to draw the conclusions you have from that study.

      If you have these studies showing that military people are more likely to be criminals than their peers then feel free to link those as well. Although, after further reading your blog, I am very sceptical that you could produce anything of intellectual value. But I would love to review as much information as you can provide.

      I know quite a bit about peer reviewed studies, and you are right they do cover issues like demographics bias. My issue with your cited study is that it does not. My other issue is that you clearly do not understand demographics bias.

      I'm not sure why my argument is no argument at all and thus an appeal to pseudo-intellectualism. I pointed out the logical flaws with your conclusions. If you knew anything about peer reviewed studies you would know that anyone drawing the conclusions in the way that you have from this study would be laughed out of the room.

      1. The study's author admits a demographics bias
      2. The study's author admits that other areas with similar demographics also demonstrate heightened levels of crime
      3. The article you linked states that military neighbourhoods as a whole tend to be considerably safer than most of the country

      I think you need to get over yourself here. You are just flat out wrong. There is no way that you can logically defend your conclusions to anyone who has even a high school level understanding of how statistics works. Also, implying that you are the true intellectual here is laughable.

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    9. For further reading I have decided to include a few quotes from the article you linked.

      Quote 1: According to Andrew Schiller, founder and president of NeighborhoodScout, the answer may lie in the demographics of the American military. Military bases tend to have high concentrations of young, single men living together in very close quarters. Schiller has also found similar property crime spikes in other areas -- like college student neighbourhoods.

      Quote 2: Ironically, NeighborhoodScout reports that military neighborhoods as a whole tend to be considerably safer than most of the country. America has 300 neighborhoods in which at least 20% of the population is in the military. In these areas, the median property crime rate is 32 per 1,000 residents, which is 7% below the national average. The violent crime rate is even more striking: at 1.55 crimes per 1,000 residents, it is an impressive 67% lower than the average.

      I'm sure you will disregard these since they do not support your small minded view of the world.

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    10. My "small minded view of the world" is based on looking outside of the military cocksuckers like yourself. You ignore international protests against the criminals being harbored on US bases around the world. You ignore the fact that military bases are hotbeds of crime. You explain it away to your satisfaction, but those of us living here in reality don't buy your bullshit.

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    11. So this is becoming a theme with you, replying to posts by misrepresenting what is written in them. I'm not sure why you are assuming I'm in the military, for what it's worth I am not, I also don’t think it should matter. I am not ignoring any of these supposed facts that you are citing. I am asking for you to support your outrageous claims with proof, a burden which you are apparently incapable of surmounting. This is how science works, you make a hypothesis, and then you support that hypothesis with a study.

      Find a study that shows a statistically significant increase in crime near military bases that has been adjusted for demographic bias and I will concede that people in the military are statistically more likely to be criminals. If you are incapable of doing that, then you need to concede that you are incorrect and people in the military are not statistically more likely to become criminals. It's really that simple.

      All you have done so far is make an outrageous claim, fail to support it, and then fall back on childish name calling.

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    12. How much are you paying me for the privilege of doing your research for you? I've been convinced, you're the clueless one here, and I frankly don't give a shit if some random moron agrees with me or not.

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    13. Why are you doing the research for me? Because that is how the grownup world works. When someone decides to make an outrageous inflammatory claim the burden of proof falls on them.

      At this point it’s pretty clear what happened here. You made an outrageous and clearly unsubstantiated claim. I called you out on it, you tried to google some type of support for your idiotic assertions and in what one can only describe as a hilariously ill fated attempt to support your claim you posted a link to a study in which the author of the study actually agreed that you could not make the claim that military people are more likely to be criminals due to the clearly obvious demographic bias.

      I feel I should point out that the quote was a mere three paragraphs into the article, indicating that you had not even taken the time to read the article you decided to post as proof.

      But you have been “convinced” that I am the clueless one. How, may I ask, have you been convinced of this? Was it my request that you support your assumption with (gasp) facts? Or perhaps it was my clearly advanced understanding of the applications of statistics?

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    14. I will present you with two options:

      Option 1: Post some type of proof that the military is statistically more likely to commit a crime. Unfortunately for you, this study must actually be logically consistent with the applications of statistics. If you are able to do that I will stop bothering you.

      Option 2: Just admit that you made the entire thing up, and have based your assumptions on nothing more than your own insignificant opinion of how the world works. If you choose to pursue this option, you should probably post an apology for your lack of journalistic integrity. I suppose journalistic integrity was not a concept covered in the advanced ethics course that you attended at what no doubt was a highly prestigious university.

      Either way I will be satisfied.

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    15. Are you seriously still here?

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    16. I’m not going anywhere, this is my new favorite blog. I showed it to a group of my friends last night and we all laughed. It was really fun.

      But the offer still stands, either admit you made these compelling “statistics” you mentioned up, or post legitimate proof to support your idiotic assertions and Ill leave.

      Since it appears you are incapable of either, I will plan on being here for a while.

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    17. I don't believe you have friends.

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    18. Similarly, I don’t believe that you have any evidence to support your idiotic assertions, which begs the question, how can you be so certain you are right?

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    19. Similarly, why don't you talk to women in the military? Ask them if they think rape is a problem on military bases.

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    20. Ok, I asked my female friends who were in the military, neither of them think rape is a problem in the military. Neither know of any women who were raped while they were in the military. Are you ready to admit you are wrong yet? I think it's hilarious that you pretend to be this intellectual, and at the same time you so fervently defend your argument with absolutely no proof. A true intellectual will admit when they are wrong.

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    21. Oh my god, two women say there's no rape problem? Alert high command, they can end their investigations.

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    22. Oh my God, Bret Alan, spectacular internet moron, thinks rape is a problem in the military. He cant prove his claim, at this point we should all assume his opinion is based on nothing more than his gut feeling. Alert high command, disband the military!

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    23. Aww, I wanted this particular argument to keep going... I know, it's 2014 (digging up the past), but this argument was providing me with much entertainment, I'm sad to see it ended so abruptly :-(

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  32. And what military bases have you visited? And "big" air force checks? I don't know anyone in the military that gets a big check, unless they're officer or E7+

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    1. Well, I remember a visiting Grissom in Indiana and seeing a board with pictures of all the drunk-driving accidents caused by those on the base, not that anecdotal evidence is all that important.

      And of course he's an officer. That matters because... staying in the military a long time means you're entitled to huge rewards for cowardly dropping bombs on people you can't even see tens of thousands of feet below you?

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  33. I have to say that I completely agree with you that every military in the world is allied together, working to justify their continual existence in a world that would otherwise have no need whatsoever for them. Clearly, throughout history, the military leadership of natural adversaries have been secretly meeting and orchestrating events to raise global tensions and create an artificial need for armies. It’s perfectly plausible that a cabal such as this could exist for hundreds of years without its existence ever becoming public knowledge. It would only require them to swear thousands of people, all over the world, to lifelong secrecy. And I’m sure that this could be done with such confidence that they wouldn’t need to worry at all about the fact that if they were ever discovered it would almost certainly result in the loss of their jobs and most likely going to jail. What we have here is an airtight global conspiracy at the highest levels of national leadership. Although I think their one concern must be that this looks too much like a conspiracy. Brave individuals such as yourself were bound to recognize this for what it is. So keep up the good work, I’m sure we can crack this one.

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  34. I agree. I'm not a fan of the military. One of my oldest and best friends/roommate was in the army. Before the army, we were both anarchists. We hated the gov't and anything it provided.

    One day shortly after high school, he randomly decides to join the army (couldn't find a job). I begged him not to go, but he went anyways. He was gone for 4 or 5 years, and we didn't really talk too often.

    Since he has come back, he is totally different. He is 100% pro america (even though he can't even define what that means), loves our government, thinks might equals right, is very very proud that he killed Iraqis, hates ideas like "helping" and "community", and thinks I'm lame for valuing human life and equality.

    We argue (friendly) about these kinds of issues all the time, and all I can ever think is that they brainwashed him. He is very adamant that they don't do that kind of thing. "Trust me dude, I was looking for it." So despite his complete 180 on these issues, he denies any sort of conditioning or propaganda brainwashing tactics. He claims that he switched sides because he was "there" and felt the "brotherhood" and that the "enemy" was near. I say they all got brainwashed. He disagrees. He still holds true that he was defending my rights and freedom. From who or what has never been answered.

    Our debates get a little less friendly every time. Our argument points get a little more personal each time. I'm afraid that if we truly said what we think, no holds barred, that we would stop being friends. I've essentially told him that I think the military is a bunch of baby killers, and he has essentially told me that anyone non-military is a pussy. There is definitely a two-way loss of respect.

    So if I hate the military (which I totally do) then its mostly because they took my friend away. The military turns awesome, rad people into assholes that are proud that they've killed people and that look down on you for not having done so. Assholes that feel entitled. Assholes that feel superior. My friend is an asshole!

    So essentially, I see this kind of thing happening a lot in the military, where its not so much that psychopaths join, but that they turn you into one. After several years of being told that the "enemy" is worth shooting, you probably just accept it and start to believe it. After being told that what you are doing is super-duper right, its hard to disagree. After years of waking up at the butt-crack of dawn, anyone that doesn't do that is a scumbag. We are all part of the problem, according to them. If only we weren't such pussies, they wouldn't have to be such assholes.

    I hate the secrecy, I hate the violence, I hate the attitude, I hate being taxed for it, I hate the retaliation we are gonna get, I hate the creation of two sides of our american life (military vs. non-military), I hate the propaganda, I hate the conspiracy, I hate their stupid haircuts and their matching uniforms, I hate the gung ho mentality, and I hate their life style.

    I am not a fan of the military.

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  35. that guy talking about rape statistics an whatnot burned you dude, lol

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    1. Right, there's no rape problem in the military...

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    2. There's always going to be rape, whether it be civilian or military, you make it sound like its 10 times worse in the military.

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  36. Im in the army and i agreeeeeee....no problems with the law, lived on my own b4 this, now im just counting down my time and trying to stay out of any trouble(you can fry for petty things)

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  37. Awesome comment Frank Jones. You're your own person, but if it was me I would say a douche like that is not worth calling a friend. That whole argument of "your too much of a pussy to ever join the military" pisses me the fuck off. How "brave" are you when your shooting at people with bullets that travel around 5000 mph? If your such a tough guy, than fight the enemy like a real man with nothing but your fists.

    And to the author, thank you for seeing through the propaganda. It is truly depressing to see how many people fall for imperialism hook, line and sinker. At least a few people aren't blinded by the bullshit.

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  38. I'm a former Marine. You hate me and want me to die. Ok. That's not exactly the first time I've encountered someone with that position; nothing new. I'd be insulted, but there isn't any real, thorough criticism in your post. What it comes down to is that you hate the military because you think that they are hateful human beings who want people to die. You hate it so much that you are a hateful human being who wants people to die. I hope that you are able to overcome your hate, because it can only harm you.

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  39. I am not sure if this thread is still open, but I am interested in the demographic of the poster. I think it would be interesting to know what education you have, what kind of work you do and where you are from. I do not blog at all that why my comment is anonymous but my name is Matthew Sefton and I am currently a member of the United States Army.

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    1. I'm 28, male, born in the Midwest (Missouri, then moved to Michigan, then spent a long time in Indiana). I went to college in Philadelphia where I got my Bachelor's of Science, worked as a writing tutor and for the 2010 Census, and have been unemployed (though not on Unemployment) since. I currently live in the South, near many military bases.

      Thanks for commenting, Matthew. My threads never close, and if you have any further questions, you can always ask here or send me an e-mail at AnythingButTheist@gmail.com

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  40. This is Matthew Sefton again. I forgot to mention that I find it interesting that you never commented on Matt D. responce to your claims.

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    1. I made a full reply here. Don't worry, I don't expect you to have read my entire blog after stumbling upon this one post.

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  41. Patriotism sucks

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  42. I fucking hate the military! My husband is there and he wants out for those reasons. They are taking their sweet ass time signing paper work and making him do Their dirty work for example cleaning clean shit and swiping dirt off the ground! Plus they waste money come on now

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  43. What a wonderul way to put it & I agree completely. Go American, but screw the piece of shits who think we should kiss at their feet for holding guns.

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  44. Whoever wrote this is clearly a huge faggot/pussy to scared to join the military

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    1. Whoever wrote this comment is clearly a huge faggot/pussy too scared to post as someone other than anonymous, and too retarded to know when to use the word "too."

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    2. Lol "too scared to post as someone other than anon" yeah I'm so scared of some pussy bloger please don't hurt me. I dare you to say "go put a bullet in your head" to someone in the military face to face..... But I know you wont

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    3. I don't want you to be scared. It must be tough being a loser who thinks I give a shit what he thinks. I don't mean to pile on, I'm sure life is tough for someone as pathetic as you.

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  45. I am actually a US Marine who was born to kill, whereas clearly you seam to have mistaken me for some sort of wine sipping, communist **** suck. And although peace probably appeals to tree hugging bi-sexuals like you and your parents, I happen to be a death-dealing, blood-crazed warrior who wakes up every day just hoping for the chance to dismember my enemies and defile their god.Peace sucks a hairy *******, . War is the mother-******* answer."

    - Generation Kill

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    1. Apparently Generation Kill is still too much of a pussy to spell out curse words.

      You want to kill people, but you make sure your language is clean... talk about fucked up priorities.

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  46. Generation Kill is an HBO series that featured that quote, not the name of the person who posted it. Anyway, I am a recently retired United States Marine and I sure as hell am not nearly as hateful and blood thirsty as you. You say that you wish I would kill myself but I do not have the slightest amount of hate for you or anyone else. I signed up not to kill people but to cover the backs of my fellow Marines who are willing to lay down their lives in defense of you, a man who wants us dead, and the other citizens of this country. What you fail to understand is that we don't work to protect the politicians, we work to protect you, the citizen. If the moment came where our government ordered us to kill you that would be the moment we stopped taking orders. If you think money is why we do it, you should really do some research. I was a Lance Corporal making $1,500 a month. I made twice that when I enlisted, the last thing I was thinking about was money. Oh and in my entire career there wasn't a single Marine who raped anyone or was raped on my base. Try to be more open minded and less generalizing, you'll sleep easier if you hate less

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  47. You are a stupid fuck

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    1. Eloquently stated. Allow me to retort: you're an inbred military cocksucker.

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    2. And you're a piece of shit. Not for your opinion of the military but because you have the balls to call members of the military violent and then say "If you’re in the military, here’s what I want you to do: put a bullet in your head." BTW, I saw your pic on facebook. Not surprised at what you look like. It's not the military's fault that you're a fucking mutant. The only disability keeping you out of the military is a lack of balls (except for the pair in your mouth). I feel sick even giving you this much attention but I swear I would love to meet you face to face. You wouldn't love it though. I promise.

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  48. Indiana huh? I'm about hr south of Grissom which is a reserve Air Force base I may add and isn't that large. Would you honestly feel safer without a military!? Would you say these things face to face to a member of the US military?

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    1. No. He couldn't say anything to a service member's face. He's a piece of shit coward who is looking for attention.

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  49. I hated "being in" the military, but do not hate the folks in it. Most of the folks in the military today are probably the finest who ever served. But back in the time when I served, decades ago, it sucked, just sucked. But military service may always be a pain in the ass, day to day. Just the way it is.

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  50. This article is right on point. Entitled assholes... I live in Colorado Springs and have to deal with some military asshole every day, not to mention all the "50% off for military" deals at every fucking store in this shit-hole town.
    Also- Stop your bitching. Nobody drafted your stupid asses. Waahhh.

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    1. And what, you want a 50% discount for wiping your ass in the morning? Look whos bitching now.

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    2. Stores and restaurants choose to give those discounts... don't hate the soldier cause the store decides to give them something...

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  51. Instead of blaming the military for this bad economy, you could also throw in the crooked-@zz politicians. I remember a story a few months back about how a state senator was complaining because he couldn't live on $120,000 per year and wanted a raise. I can't cite the source but I guess if you did a little search on the internet you can find it.

    Also they are already cutting down the amount of people serving, but its causing more problems than solving in that its also increasing our national unemployment, and don't say "Oh that's because they're too lazy" because that isnt the reason, its numerous reasons ranging from biased employers to the (surprise) news media.

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  52. I agree with OP.

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  53. yes, because it was teachers who killed Osama Bin Laden, wasn't it?
    listen you useless idiot,the men out there risking their lives so you can sit your ungrateful ass and write this shit of a blog are heroes, there are bad apples everywhere, the same is for teachers, but they have done more to help people than an ungrateful dickhead like you. What you should be crying about is the industrial complex that is buying politicians to continue wars and feed themselves evermore war supply contracts that entail billions of dollars, not patriots who joined the military to defend their loved ones from foreign threats.

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  54. You truly do not know how great of a person you are! I only personally know one person who doesn't like the military, and now I know there is at least one more! I find it outrageous how everyone wants to give these people so much credit for doing a job that few people even die from now.
    These people either go into for a few reasons: 1) They have no other way to get money, 2) They want to be real life "GI Joes", and 3) They want all the fame and respect people will shower them with. None of these reasons is a good reason for someone to join the military.
    Yes, I'm sure there are a few people out there who truly join because they think that they are "bettering" their country, but I'm also sure that they comprise a very very small amount. But then again, I am going off of what I see in the South.
    I love how everyone says that soldiers are "unsung heroes" and they are the most "unappreciated people on the earth". I've literally never heard one person have a bad opinion of anyone in the military and everyone wants to give them all of these entitlements that they DON'T deserve. So I'm not sure how these people's praise is unsung, but maybe I'm just another "unpatriotic, stupid, ignorant ass", huh? To me, they get WAY WAY too much credit for what they "do".

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  55. Well I didn't read every post word for word but some interesting things I wantto comment on. 2010 19000 rapes within the military. You 86.5% chance it won't even be reported and 92% chance if it is reported it won't reach court martial. One story female marine raped by a superior she reports it to the boss and she is the one under investigation. She was discharged. The man who raped her is still in good standing with the marines. How can any of you say military in general doesn't wipes there ass with $100 bills. Just one example of that a good friend of mine made almost 5000 a month doing nothing. These are words from his mouth. He would sit around play xbox and drive new recruits to and from things they needed to do. That's just one case. I understand it isn't just the military putting us in debt this country is well on it's way coming completely undone. I will cite my info. So you all can see the stats. Oh I haven't even covered the part I hate most of military folks drug addicted alcoholics that think there tough cause they learned how to wrestle. Not all but most refuse to work. But they make the max amount from unemployment. I will bring actuall stats for that I dont know off the top of my head. I really wish I could have just jerked off and been adouche growing up. Uncle Sam will take care of me all I have to do is go kill for him. And I am a great shot. But to sum it up our four fathers would be turning in there graves if they saw werethis country is today. Not just military but all of it. Yeah it is one thing to sit on the Internet and bitch aboutthings and to actually do something. My big plan get the hell out of here ,saving money to move to Canada.

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  56. Hardcore Libertarian11/24/2012 1:14 AM

    You got guts man. I guess I cannot blame the Vietnam Vets who got duped into joining. But I dont pity the ones who knew exactly what they were getting into. I dont think there has been a legitimate war since WWII. And the veterans from that war are not total douches. Cause they knew what they were fighting for, and knew well they were fighting our freedoms. Now in the past 70 years, the Military has been nothing but some oppressive bureaucracy out to dominate. I cant tell if people are just brainwashed, with patriotic propaganda. But some people act like such self righteous douches about being in the military. Vietnam, the Gulf War, the War on Terror, all purely illigitiment wars centered around Govt propaganda, not the people. I took a psychology class on this, and many of the militarists have what appears to be Authoritarian Personality disorder, or Narcissistic Personality disorder. Either way, the thought process goes in this hierarchy, of the people in authority, the obedient and the disobedient. So the people in power are whom all service goes to, and the obedient are entitled to glory, while the disobedient ought to be shunned and put down. I cant tell if people get brainwashed, or are just using patriotism the same way the Fundie uses religion to justify their vicious narcissism.

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  57. I totally agree with you. America is brainwashing children and making people think killing others is honorable. Hell no.

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  58. Hmm. I'm in the Navy. I'm not violent, I get paid barely enough to live, I only get 350 a month to help out with college, which doesn't really help at all. You can think what you want about the military, and sure, there are things wrong with it, but hell, you can say that about anything.

    Have you watched the news? People right here, in the US, with no ties to the military, are doing horrible things every single day. Of course there are scumbags in the military, there are scumbags everywhere! But you can't judge a whole group based on the actions of a few. That's just like saying that all african americans are thugs (which is bullshit) or that every southern citizen is a racist (also bullshit) or that every jack ass that posts bullshit like this is a fat ass holed up in is basement stuffing his face with a bag of cheetoes while ranting because he's too much of a chicken shit to do something for the greater good. Have you saved any lives lately? What have you sacrificed for others? If you disagree with the military, get off your ass and do something to change it.

    Dumb ass.

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  59. Congrats, OP! Love your blog. I am really surprised there aren't more people our there who voice these thoughts. Cowards.

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  60. Hi, just saw your blog, and thought it was interesting, to say in the least. There's just one thing that bothers me. America is not the only nation with a military, and not the only nation in the Middle East( although we may have caused others to join). Also, the military is not a new concept; plenty if ancient civilizations had military forces or even militias, because they knew that the nation or state would have a need to use force in certain situations; those that didn't were either subjugated, and thus provides with the ruler's security, colonized and less protected, or had no strategic value to anyone. The US has many enemies by screwing others in their lands and pissing off a lot of people, but we must still defend ourselves anyways.

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  61. (Cont'd) There is a practical need for a military; it's purpose doesn't always have to be some abstract, idealistic concept. For instance, a majority of our commerce relies on safe sea lanes, which our navy contributes to. Is it 100% reliable? No, but the pirate risk, with the cooperation of a few other countries, is minimized. Anyways, this is just the opinion of some random dude on the Internet, may the 1st amendment stay with you!
    P.S. On a side note, I get really pissed when I hear people arguing for a mandatory inscription in the US. Seriously!? Lol, have a good New Years

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  62. I have a question? do you believe in world peace?

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  63. first...I don't want anybody to put a bullet in their head. I'd rather have them wake up. Second, the military fights for my right of free speech...no, they don't. not since ww2, the last time we had a legit threat that we used the military to fight.
    You join the military, you're agreeing to be a mindless pawn of the new world order that wants you dead. is it about freedom and the constitution when we fight 3 unconstitutional wars in the last 10 years? wars in countries that have NOTHING to do with any real problems we have? sorry folks, if you're in the military, you're just a puppet ball of meat. I think that's essentially in the contract you signed.
    I honestly hate how every sports event has an official military suck-off. Come to think of it, I hate sports as much as the military. People wonder why we our country is melting down when every grown man in the country religiously tunes in to watch people throw a ball around that has no impact on anything important at all.
    I'm glad someone posted a blog about a taboo subject that just has to be said.
    while we're at it...
    I hate how we all just stupidly buy products that perpetuate chinese slave labor. in some places workers are chained to their desks. in others, there's suicide nets to catch people jumping out of the windows.
    Also. I hate the fucking lottery. imagine how much money the lottery sucks right out of our economy that could be much better spent than all the fucking mind numbed morons that march endlessly to waste their own money and hand it right off to the government as a voluntary tax. Obviously, the title of the blog is anything but theist, but there has to be a better chance of there being a higher power than there as any of these fucking clueless imbeciles who play the lottery are ever going to win a net amount.
    you would not believe how long i've been waiting to get that off my chest, thanks.

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  64. Bret,
    You have several good points. Unfortunately, they are obscured behind a wall of filthy, hateful language. I too, have seen members of the military try to coax favors or discounts due to their service. It is abhorrent, but certainly not to the extent of suggesting that service members commit suicide in a manner that would inflict the smallest expense of your tax dollars. I doubt that anything you have ever written fulfills any productive purpose. If you were looking to incite a reaction, you succeeded. If your intent was to open real discussion that could help create a better situation, you failed miserably. I truly hope that you can learn to look beyond your limited experiences and reach a better understanding of the world.

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  65. shutt the fuck up...until you've been in dont say a fucking thing about it. you wouldnt even begin to understand what the fuck we go through. i fucking hate civilians

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      This is complete insanity.
      'I fucking hate civilians', clearly you are a military man, so if you hate civilians what exactly are you fighting for? Fun? The only possible reason I can think of for people to accept military action is to protect civilians from wrong doing, and obviously you don't care all that much.
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  66. Wow! Just awed by how much you hate the Military. If you don't like it, why don't you move to another country? I think the Military is put in a hard place because the job they do is what The President tells them to do, He is their boss. So Why not hate the President too? But what shocks me is how your wanting to have these men kill themselves because their in the Military. Why can't people have a discussion without having to use bodily harm or cuss words. Sorry to hear you think they do nothing for you.

    A Marine Wife.

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  67. I couldn't agree more with this post. Thank you for taking the words right out of my head. At least I'm not the only one to be thinking the same thing.

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  68. And this is what happens when human garbage gets hold of the Internet.

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  69. I think you are right, and most people commenting are just brainwashed people. America obviously spends way too much money on war, and doesn't help anyone but the richest. As someone said before me you are too hateful and don't give actual reasons. Still, good to know some people still hold some kind of brain inside their skull.

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  70. I served seven years as a Navy Corpsman saving lives never taking. Your comments are offensive to anyone who has ever given their lives in service, in the past or present. I don't wish to attack you personally. I only want you to understand that there is tons of good that goes on in the military. Humanitarian relief when a natural disaster occurs, Volunteer opportunities at home and all over the world. Most of us are decent people who truly love country and wish to make it safe for you and for the people we love.

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  71. I am happy to see that some people do have the same opinion of the military as I do. I love your blog, however I don't believe that anybody should be shooting themselves.
    I am currently dating an ex marine. I love him to death , but wish every day that he had never signed up. He has told me many stories about the "morality " of the soldiers who are "supposedly" protecting our rights. Everything that I have heard makes me sick to my stomach. I don't believe that everybody in the military is a scumbag that only wants to kill, but I do believe that's what they turn into. Not to mention everyone who "serves" have this giant chip on their shoulder, like when they walk by we should kiss the ground that they wAlk on. I am tired of watching immature boys sign up for the military so they can become "bad ass " warriors who can fuck who ever they want. Im sorry but it's not impressive that you have killed, tortured and can laugh about it. You are not a man, you are sick .
    Im going to stop not because this Ian going in a completely different direction and I could rant for days on he subject.

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  72. Im not going to argue with your unfounded, unresearched arguments. All i can say is anyone who calls someone a coward from behind a computer, does not really make his point too strongly.

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  73. And contrary to what i have just noticed a fair number of people saying, you do not have guts, this is the internet where you can say anyhing you want, and not fear consequences other then some other jackass saying mean things back to you. Oh your welcome for having the right to do that.

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      And you're falling into a typical fallacy involved with this line of argumentation. That soldiers 'defend free speech'. When was the last war where our Constitutional Rights were being threatened by an 'enemy'? World War II? How 'bout that. I do consider some soldiers as heroes. The minutemen who fought in the American Revolution were heroes. With every passing day, however, it gets harder and harder for me to consider modern-day soldiers as 'heroes'. I'm all for keeping the seas safe, but I also feel that invading other countries is hurting America and that our military is grossly bloated with funding; I think if we downsized some of our military, we wouldn't need to worry as much about 'threats' and we'd probably be seen in a more positive light overseas.

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  74. Good word your all insane im leaving the rest of this shit alone, thanks though i had a good laugh, keep freedom fighting on the internet you oh so courageous people, im sure youl accomplish oh so very much.

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  75. You have some very valid points there , Bret. The way you stated your opinion has clearly offended some people, and you probably could have been more tactful, but I'm not ashamed to admit that you got a laugh out there.

    Personally, I get kind of annoyed when customers come up to me and authoritatively try to use their "military discount", like all of society is indebted to them, and that their discount applies everywhere and for everything. Neither of my places of employment have a military discount. Sometimes people get frustrated with this, and at other times they're completely understanding.

    My latest customer was with his girlfriend and played the "military discount" card, while making a purchase. I always respond: "Unfortunately, we do not have a military discount here." as not to offend them. This particular customer was fine with it, but his girlfriend made the snarky comment, "Wow, how patriotic of your hometown." Now that irritated me.

    Don't get me wrong, I love this country. By this country, I mean this continent, North America. It's geographical location is perfect and beautiful. The government however, well.. not so much. Our military, being a tool of our government, is included.

    I had a roommate, Seth, who told me a story. He's kind of a slow, quick-tempered, redneck type, so when he turned 18 he joined the United States Air Force. After so many months, and advancements in rank, one of his superiors ordered him to break into an office, and dispose of some incriminating files. Seth disobeyed this order, possessing enough intelligence to see that this was an illegal order, and extremely immoral one at that. His superior had Seth dishonorably discharged from the Air Force, and found some other mindless, conforming, obedient grunt to do his dirty work.

    If the people in charge are that corrupt, and have that much power, just how high up does that go?

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  76. Ah, this article gave me a few chuckles. I don't think I'm going to put a bullet in my head because you want me to. In fact, I would rather live just to spite you. There are some things the military needs to stop doing, but stop existing? Nah. Your country, contrary to popular (misguided) belief, would be overrun in a matter of minutes. There's a reason the military exists even today, and even if you don't like paying your beautiful taxes (thanks for that, by the way), it's always going to be there. Please go write an angry letter to Congress, or picket a soldier's funeral, or whatever you please.
    I don't agree with you views, and that's simply because you speak as an ignorant person with no idea of how the military works. Poor you. It would seem as though YOU have no clue what's going on. I suggest enlisting and judging for yourself.

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  77. Glad to find somene finally who feels the same way i do. I thought i was the only one cause everyone seems to worship them. I think 80 years ago, there could have honorable military men, now its full of high school drop outs, ADD kids and overall "fuck-ups"

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  78. Soldiers don't protect anyone's free speech. Everyone has free speech.

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  79. Soldiers don't protect the US from Congress, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security or US police. They help them. The biggest terrorists.

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  80. The US is accustomed to a certain lifestyle. It is the job of the military to maintain that lifestyle. Sometimes, people in far away places need to be shot in the face so we can continue to live our lives without having to worry about giving up our material excesses. Might makes right, and anyone who says otherwise is a fool. You think all this hippy altruistic bullshit would apply to anyone else if the roles were reversed? Wishful thinking, at best.

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    1. This is so true as much as I hate it. Although I will concede that the whole "protecting your freedoms" thing hasn't been very relevant as of late. However, it has been true at other times. I am thinking about joining the Army in college, but my decision is impeded by my distrust of the government and where they might send me. I don't see the military as the problem, but instead the crooked government we are under as the issue.

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  81. As I sit in my office collecting your tax money, (oh wait, I pay taxes too) I was pondering why I have spent the last 18 years doing this job. As much as the military disgust me now-a-days, it is not nearly as much as someone such as yourself does. Your little blog reminds me of the quote from Billy Madison. "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
    If you really think that all we want to do is kill people your wrong. I just want to whip the shit out of you for disgracing these people. As a matter of fact, why don't you let everyone know how good of a person you have become over the years by not joining the military. I would be really interested in how much of a success you have become.

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  82. The military protects the nations assets, whether they be ill gotten oil, people or land.

    They DO feed the rich, yes, but if the actions of the military and the war machine were to cease, the economy would certainly collapse like a set a dominoes.

    Where do you think all of these huge corporations that provide hundreds of thousands of jobs get their income from? (Babcock, BAE, oil companies, etc. etc.).

    A huge chunk is via the war machine, or as a direct result of it.

    For better or for worse, the military has been making your nation more prosperous for generations.

    Yes, they cost money to run...but how much money will that oil bring to your shores?




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  83. Being part of the military and using it to get a paycheck to get an education or something is like getting a job. I see no reason to hold it against the person inside the uniform. You act like every service member likes his or her job and wants to stay in for shooting people or something.

    Some of them actually have noble intentions like joining the medical corps to just get everyone patched up and home in one whole piece. It's not about patriotism nor the politics nor the economy on an individual basis.

    The military is responsible for a lot of stuff both good and bad as much as the civilian sector is. Also, wishing to put a bullet through my head makes you as bad as the image you project on me and all the other service members I work with.

    Maybe you are right, though. Maybe the military itself should secede and allow the country to develop on its own as the military reorganizes and develops their own country. Who knows, it might even be a very peaceful country without a need to shoot things.

    I have a lot of contempt towards my own branch and I know this post is years old, but no one deserves to die. Not even you, so just give it a rest man.

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  84. I know this post is old, but I would like to say: THANK YOU FOR SAYING WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. I myself am not an American, but I do run blogs on another site, and am sick and tired of seeing posts from Americans saying that all soldiers are heroes who fight to protect their country. There is nothing that Americans need protecting from. People can argue that the 9/11 attacks prove that there is a reason to fight, but newsflash: the people in those attacks are dead. Americans are sending over troops to Eastern Countries to injure and kill millions of innocent people because they MIGHT attack them. If Americans left them alone, they wouldn't have reason to do anything. American troops (and the people who support them so vehemently) are ridiculous. Americans pride themselves on their "Freedom" so why go around killing people in other countries because of their religion? Douchebags.

    Plus, I have seen the argument that "people who are killed are at least suspected of terrorism." SUSPECTED. So basically, if someone in the USA is suspected of murder, other countries should send in troops to kill them without trial right? Dumbasses.

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  85. If I had one word to describe how I felt about these highschool dropout idiots in the military it would be 'disgust'. You put how I and I'm sure many others feel so eloquently.

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  86. I love how almost every soldier that comments on this blog is so full of themselves and praises themselves as hero's. They love to tell us how much they "Protect our freedoms" I guess sending drone strikes into elementary schools, and shooting up civilians in foreign countries we have no business in is "patriotic" or "heroic". US soldiers disgust me.

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  87. I agree wholeheartedly. I live in a military intensive area so I don't say anything too loudly because you are silenced immediately. Yeah, defending my freedoms, eh? If I can't even say what I think, then you've defended nothing. I'm not kissing the military's ass. Not on Veteran's Day, not on Memorial day, not any day of the damn week. You kill and get s**t for free. I like the people as individuals just fine, mind you. The individuals are just trying to live their life as best as they can and take care of their families. But to be honest, I thank the person who works at McDonald's for a living more than than a soldier. No one has ever lined up at our borders to take away our freedoms. The US just invades and creates drama and then tries to justify it by making it sound like we have to fight.

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  88. I agree. many people lost there lives for stupid reasons. the government would pay for unnecessary cost but can't help teachers pay, help every student go to collage like they do for the military. its such a big waste!

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  89. Just wanna comment here and say I totally agree with your post, I hate the military, they're a bunch of stuck up arrogant douchebags and all we are to them are "civies" for fucks sake, the military doesn't do anything good for us except get drunk as hell and act like idiots.

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  90. Dear morons
    Men fought and died so you can go and talk crap about those of us that are better than you. As a marine I’ve seen how much my friends have given to defend this great country too many of them have lost arms, legs, eyes sight and some gave their lives. And yes it is your right to have an opinion even if it’s full of horse shit, it’s your right. BUT IT’S MY RIGHT TO PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE IF YOU ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE WRONG! I just got one question for you all that agree with this cum dumpster . DO YOU EVEN GUN BRO?!!!!!

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  91. I served. I didn't like it. 90% of the people I served with I would have never hung out with because they were assholes. The service is full of stupid assholes, and luckily for the fucktards in government, will do as they are told and fight. I was disgusted with the so-called patriotic crap of Gulf War II (another war built on lies). Real heroes say no to the military and wars built on lies. Real heroes burn their draft cards. Cowards can't say no. They won;t like to read that, but cowards fight in spite of their doubts.

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  92. Is anyone going to point out how hypocritical it is to point out the moral bankruptcy of an entire organization, then turn around and justify telling someone to commit suicide? I really don't care about this guys opinion, but I couldn't imagine feeling the desire for people to kill themselves. I hope you have found a way to cope with your hate.

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  93. I agree with most of his statements in this blog. Patriotism is a joke in the United States for a host of reasons but one that stands out is "Brainwashing." Citizens with little education will definitely agree to anything as long as he or she believes they have a following. The military today is a cult of evil people going around the world forcing their will on innocent people that have no way of defending themselves. Saying, "They are trampling on our declaration of independence" is not a legitimate reason for killing someone and not a reason to go to war and break down doors of hard working people just trying to survive. I use to like the military that is until I educated myself by reading the stories of soldiers that came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. Most saying that it was a big joke and lies. Tearing families apart and causing harm to children just to implement fear in the minds in a foreign country in order to get terrorist to come out. What a joke. Our freedoms were established long before now and to say that the military is protecting my freedoms by killing children and women and old people and autistic kids and kids that were living with natural diseases, to me thats just plain baby killing murderers. i hate our military today! I have no respect for anyone joining the military. If any of them come home with a fucked up mind or missing limbs then that's their problem not mine. You can brainwash idiots but for those that are staying behind and reaping the rewards like congress and bomb factory owners and share holders and people that make the bombs and bullets, these people get to stay home and watch you military people get your asses handed to you. People in the military are OK with bombing someone else but heaven forbid they bite back.

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  94. Anyone that is going to poke fun at the fact I have a pic of Christ on the cross as my avatar can do so but note this. That person on the cross spent his life not wielding a sword or stones but instead gave his life trying to direct people to the good side of humanity. You, military people that are dropping bombs and busting down doors of the innocent have no place in heaven. Heaven is not made for people like you. What you plant in this life you will reap in the next. Have fun eating bombs and shitting bullets. There is no way you can convince a sound minded person that killing someone is the answer. If it were so, why are you still alive reading this? Terrorist are there because you put them there. Foreign policies are the instruments for breeding people that oppose those ideas of foreign policy. If you were to come on my property waving a gun trying to bust down my door. Good luck. You'll need it because that's the only thing you will have to survive getting on our porch. That is if you can get passed the mines and laser trips and alert dogs. Military, what a freaking joke!

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  95. Long live True Freedom! Fabricated freedom believers are a waste of resources!

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    1. For someone who claims to follow Christ, you certainly fail to remember one of his most important messages, "Judge not lest ye be judged." Who are you to say who deserves to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? The vast majority of the military, myself included take no pleasure in having to fire our weapons in anger. We are perfectly content to serve as a deterrent to aggression. The risks to us in combat are just as much as our enemy if not more so. We don't have a say in foreign policy. We don't get to choose who we fight. The people you elected are responsible for those decisions. Your president and your representatives in the house and the senate are who you should be angry with because they represent your collective desires. I take offense to your use of religion to validate your hatred towards my brothers and sisters and me. To me you are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church or the Islamic extremists in the Middle East who also use religion to spread hate. We don't always agree with the decisions of our government, but make no mistake, we will win where we fight, and we will come home to our families whether you like it or not. Your comments about mines in your front yard, laser trip wires and attack dogs alludes to your maturity which is that of a 10 year old boy. If an armed group of Soldiers with the support of combat fighting vehicles were outside of your house and ordered you to come out with your hands on your head you would do exactly as instructed, and if they did have to come in to get you, you would offer no resistance, but you don't have to worry about that, because the Constitution that we all swore to support and defend forbids such actions. If you really believe that the military is nothing but a bunch of killers and has no place, then you are as stupid as you are ignorant. I don't enjoy the hero worship, but it certainly makes me happy that people like you are an insignificant minority in this country. When you do grow up, or at least hit puberty, I challenge you to voice your grievances with someone in uniform. Until that happens though do some fucking research so you don't sound like a total moron.

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    2. Does Waco, Texas ring a bell you fucking moron. Don't talk shit about your ego. You are no hero. I didn't vote for those monsters in the White House or on the senate floor or any puppet government of the U.S. Your a fucking brainwashed joke. Go put a bullet in your brain. Might as well the way you try and sound. Your education stops at the bank and everyone knows it. You are nothing short than shit. Military doesn't scare me, death is a doorway, not a fucking ticket to heaven. You are going to find out when you die one day that what ever church you belong to is praying to a god that doesn't exist. The true God does not support your meaningless war or the people that fight it. Get a clue brainless and know the the symbols of the churches before you talk like a god because you are far from being a hero. Heroes don't pull triggers, heroes take the bullet and die for innocent lives not the ones that do the killing. What a fucking dweeb!

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  96. I'm in the military and I agree completely! so far the people I've met can be labelled as "paedophile" "school shooter" "rapist/womanizer" "drunk" "druggie" "attention whore" ... i haven't met anyone who can be labelled as a hero though :S

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  97. Fuck Militarism2/12/2014 2:52 PM

    Fuck Zionism. Fuck militarism. Fuck Americanism. Fuck nationalism.

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  98. This piece of literary garbage should be held up as a shining example of why one should never go dumpster diving on the internet. Thanks OP, I learned my lesson.

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  99. I am a long-time Conservative from California, and maybe the type of person that the owner of this blog would tend to dislike. However, I secretly hate our military for a lot of reasons; many of which you mentioned. I'm not going to say how I know the following, but this gigantic horde of reprobates are a cancer in every location there they are assigned. I have seen it firsthand. They have no honor, and are certainly not the type of young Americans who even deserve to "see the world" in the first place. It's especially disheartening to see so many young women sign up for this. I'm not intrinsically against the idea of a military, but you are right this time. "Our troops" are the epitome of ignorance and lack of class. I would never say this to my friends and business partners, but I with somehow they could all be rounded up and placed in a giant concentration camp in the middle of the Australian desert.. where they could remain permanently. I actually got a kick out of reading some of the comments here from these ignorant maggots.

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  100. Thank you, Brat! For once, somebody spelled it out! I don't want anybody to kill themself but this whole American patriotism is starting to drive me absolutely nuts.
    I am German myself and some people might say that its not my place to comment on the US military action, yet we are globally interconnected.
    I live close to many US-Army and Airforce bases so its inevitable to run into those guys everywhere. They are acting like they're the kings of the world, cocky and bragging about all the money they make for not doing shit, their amazing benefits (free education, health care..) and then expect sympathy when they actually end up getting deployed - big surprise. I don't think anybody held them at gunpoint signing up in the first place. Do those young kids even read the fine print?
    And if one more person tries to convince me that Americans single-handedly saved us in WW2 which I better forever be grateful for and should basically kiss their feet, I'm gonna explode! They're was a lot more to this complex part of history than them being the one and only heroes. Germany back then messed up big time, and I agree that every individual should be held responsible for their actions - for killing someone. More than half a century later I still get to hear all about 'our' guilt. Many Americans (especially in the military) on the other hand see themselves as the big heroes invading, for instance, Iraq "freeing people" (by killing them? ha) They way they talk, it sometimes seems they're brainwashed – not all of them obviously but the great majority of people I personally talked to.
    Different circumstances - definitely. However a very similar outcome: murdering millions of innocent people. 9/11 was the perfect excuse for Bush to defend not the US' freedom but primarily the country's own national interests - as they had many times before. I don't hate the US, don't get me wrong, I have many friends over there. However, the great majority of the Germans hate American Republican politics - especially in the past few decades - violating international law by using their right to veto against peace-keeping UN resolutions in the security council. I do have friends who served and are happy to be alive and out after they realized that a great deal of what they had been told in order for them to join was simply BS and reality looks way different. Other people I know have remained crazy patriots, play with their guns and hate on Obama and anything that don't necessarily benefit them. I guess there is absolutely nothing we can do about it! It just really makes me furious and sad at the same time that there are so many small-minded people out there who can be influenced and brainwashed this easily and are apparently not able to think for themselves and analyze actual facts.
    Finally got that one off my chest without anybody interrupting me with BS- and non-objective arguments. - Julie, 29 years old.

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  101. hi I have been in the Canadian military for 3 years 6 months now. I initially joined on October 2010. I was originally very excited and looking forward to my new life, the recruiters pitched me very well. I didn't realize at the time a lot of the things that were happening , such as for example I was getting pulled toward a career I didn't want with empty promises of fulfillment. Recruiters will tell you anything to fill their quota, I was more suited for infantry or aircraft structure repair, but somehow I got convinced to join the navy as a weapon engineer.

    Alas, back then my career was started, but I was young and hopeful, and had great fantastic ambitions of success, and unlimited inhibitions. As time went on , I quickly grew unhappy, I quickly began to realize that my job entailed very little of what I was told. I was getting paid to do nothing, I am working with spoiled kids who can't find a job anywhere else, and power hungry older men who no one would ever bother listening to unless they had that fancy rank attached to the shoulder. It was about a year in I started sailing with the navy and I really began hating my life. The people I work with are backstabbing yes man, greedy for money and empty fulfillment. People who want to be bullies so they joined the CF. I was taught to see courage, integrity , loyalty and teamwork, but really all I see is a bunch of losers. As I look back I don't even know why I joined anymore, this is a true story. Sure, I get to travel to nice places and I get paid to do it, but how is that supposed to make me feel good? I didn't even earn any of this, I didn't earn the right to go anywhere or do anything, I don't even do any work and neither do my peers. All these people do and high rank included is chit chat all day about silly shit, well I got news for you I'm not a gossipy housewife and that's not why I joined. I'll tell you a little bit about me, I have a degree in history , and a diploma in electrical engineering and a high school and some military accomplishments. I'm 27. I've also been to jail twice, for fighting and drinking. I am very free spiritied. I believe the most satisfying thing to aspire to is a hard honest days work
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  102. I am in good physical shape as well , I believe the strength of body and mind equally is the root of emotional growth and learning. Therefore, with that being said, trust me and do not join the military. There is a 100 million other more satisfying jobs out there (with some embellishment of course) became an actor, travel the world on your own coin, work in the transport industry, work in a zoo, ,learn construction, learn how to build how to frame wood, put up stone, put up bricks, work in a factory lifting steel, weld steel, work on a farm, breed animals , crow crops, work in a restaurant, become a cook, become a waiter, become a pilot, grow your hair, style it how ever you please, get an eyebrow ring, get tattooes, become a driver, become an honest drug dealer, become a supplier, rob the rich, become a lifeguard, become a businessman, work in an office, become an engineer, become a scientist, research nuclear physics, ancient history, become a high school teacher, study computer programming, become a professional game designer, become a fantasy writer, a true crime writer, become a journalist, a news writer, study molecular biology, animal ecology, test new form of genetic engineering or study the human DNA makeup, research a cure for cancer, research new forms of electrical conservation, preserve animal life across the world, explore the world, and the list goes on and on....

    I forgot who I am because I was so determined to join the military, I never thought for a moment it was not going to work out. But I was naïve and blind and stubborn and I wanted to believe in it, but this article although very vague and negative and very explanatory does touch on a lot of truth.
    A lot of it comes down to something so simple, we are not at war, why join the military then?

    Email me at gabbyJ_1@hotmail.com

    Yes I have served, I have seen a lot that I don't like it and that I wish to only forget. This is a true story, don't join believe me...I'm just trying to help you not experience what I did.

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  103. I was in the military and I got accepted for the officer program, I just chose not to go. I didn't make much money in the military but believe me, i didn't work as much as enlisted too. Officers they make more money and this is the only reason why they want to become officers is for money. Let me tell you something, it is not worth it to be an officer or enlisted in the army, your life will be fucked in both ways, I don't care about the money when I will work as an officer selling my religion and faith, my freedom and listen to crap and being a slave for other officers and much more all the time. In addition, no military family will say this but let's be realistic, what wife and kids will be happy when their spouses get deployed are away from home most of the time, they will have to accept it but come on, no family are happy with this life not even the soldiers being away will be happy, just imagine this kind of life for the military families. Believe me everyone, I am not a hater or anything, I even have a degree and I can become an officer anytime but I did reject it. My plan is to make money while having a happy life and happy wife. Military wives will not tell the truth, military soldiers and officers will not say the real truth about their lives, but let me say the truth, their lives SSSSSSSSSUUUCCCCKKK. They have no freedom, so many constraints, no choice to be away from home. So I started thinking when I got that chance to stay in the army and become an officer, I asked myself, I am doing what is right for me and family, am I doing what is right for my faith, am I supporting and being part of a huge sin because it is 100% true what you said that military fight for wrong reasons that has nothing to do with protecting the land and its people, will this money I will make when I become an officer be worth it with all this BS I will get myself into. I believe I can make more money working in the engineering field or nursing because I am an engineer, but at least I will save my freedom, my religion, my family and my faith. I will keep God happy because I am sure God doesn't want me to stay in the army. Even losers who can't find a job, go to schooooooooooolllllllll. how hard is it to get a nursing degree and start working and you get financial aid so go to school kids, stop joining before you try the school option. believe me, if you go to school, you will find a much better job because any job is better than the military.

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  104. Since nam wtf have we as soldiers fucken fought for? Freedom? 9/11? Bullshit. Iraq had no correlation with Terrorism just a superpower we wanted eliminated for oil and getting a stronghold in the middle east. Afghanistan is nothing, I was there for 9 months and I had no sense of what the fuck I was there for. Army is full of ego maniacs that need praise from so called lower enlisted to make them feel better about having a small dick. Most of the military are the dumbasses and pussys that got kicked around in normal society and couldn't deal with it. I've seen many so called leaders that i could tell were worthless before the military.

    http://www.combatreform.org/militarismsucks.htm

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  105. When I was reading this a couple of things went through my mind. One I'm a civilian so I havnt lived the life of a soldier. Plus the person who posted this article if you want to call it that is as liberal as they come. I'm a liberal myself but I. Don't hate the soldiers fighting for freedom I don't think war should happen, I agree but as long as there is a person with an idea and determination war will happen. Most people who I hear this bs from are usally millitary rejects. Look I'm sorry y'all didn't make it in the armed forces for whatever reason, however badmouthing fellow soldiers and disrespecting them shows that the millitary was right for kicking you out. Soldiers put your gun in your mouth and shoot your brains out? This guy is insane no one should kill themselves just for someones idea.

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  106. Oh, look, I found a website where the scum of the earth like to congregate. So many pussies here who hate the troops. None of you shitbags would have the courage to defend yourselves if an enemy country invaded. You all would slump to your knees, begging for mercy like the worthless pussies you all are

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