You would have to look for a long time (or in Texas) before you could find someone who hates Islam more than I do.
I have read the Quran, cover to cover, and yes it was a translation. But you know what? If you believe a Muslim can’t adequately translate the Quran into English, a language with more words than any other on Earth, then maybe you are horrible at Arabic and are reading into it what you want to believe it says. If I tried to defend Leninism by saying “Well, you just don’t understand Russian, it is not a dictatorship at all...” that would make me an idiot twice over.
The Quran is violent, it calls on members to kill non-believers, and it promises eternal fire for those who fail to submit to the will of Allah. There is no debating this very clear fact.
I’ve said this all before, but it was in the climate of the Mohammed/South Park fiasco, so people jumped on board. This news cycle, we’re supposed to have sympathy for Muslims, so it’s not “cool” to attack Islam at the moment. It is almost funny how people have zero principles and will feel whatever they are told to feel.
Should Muslims be allowed to build something near Ground Zero? Of course. Do people have the right to act upset about it? Actually, they do. They can’t physically stop them, but they can complain all they want. They can even stand outside the place during construction or once it’s built with placards showing dead victims of Islamic attacks if they want. You should even be able to park a pork hotdog stand out front.
I don’t see why it’s getting so much airtime in the news, but I guess seeing two religions clash is entertaining to people. More entertaining than real news, like how Republicans blocked the passage of a bill that would grant health benefits to those injured during the rescue efforts. How patriotic, and Christian…
What I don’t get is this: as much as I find Islam to be a violent faith which calls for the death of infidels such as myself, why does that mean I should oppose the building project? There seems to be a logical gap. I guess I just actually believe in a little thing called “freedom.”
I think the reasons given boil down to two factors:
1. Christians aren’t used to feeling threatened
2. 9/11 (aka, the “Giuliani” argument)
Christians are inherently threatened by other faiths. It is in the nature of the monotheistic religions to be intolerant of others. When the most important rule of your religion is that your god is not only the best god, but the only god, there’s bound to be some clashing when two such faiths butt heads.
And don’t give me this kumbaya, liberal bullshit about how they’re all the same god. Unless you have actually read the Jewish texts, the Christian texts, and the Muslim texts, keep your dumb mouth shut. I can assure you: they aren’t talking about the same being. All three gods are definitely dicks, but that just means they might be related.
[If you honestly want to debate the above issue, save it and accept my acknowledgment that you’re “right,” but you should know that you’re really missing the point.]
To Christians, the mere visible presence of another belief is disconcerting, and if they can associate that irrational fear with something tangible and real, they will perform rhetorical gymnastics. The fact that Muslims are building something near Ground Zero (not a mosque, and not even at the site itself) isn’t the real problem, it’s just the only thing they can publicly argue without sounding [too much] like religious bigots.
One cannot point to 9/11 as justification for anything. It’s the new “Godwin’s Law.” If you have to resort to using 9/11 to justify something, you lose. Period. End of debate. You’re buying drinks.
You want to talk about offensive? How about insultingly rude billboards along every rural highway in this country pimping your savior out like he’s got the best RV deals in the state?
Christians: kindly remove that plank of wood from your eye before complaining to your neighbor about the sliver in his, or are you slow-minded morons not up to that part in your book yet? Or how about you judge not, lest ye be judged? Or why doesn't the one of you who never sinned cast the first stone? Seriously, all you do is talk about reading that thing, you never actually picked one up, have you? Too busy handing them out to actually sit down with one, perhaps?
[You like how I reeled them in with a title that would have them thinking I would just make fun of Muslims?]
Nice post, Ginx. :)
ReplyDeleteThe idea of a mosque near Ground Zero is pretty insensitive. Even almost 9 years later, the wounds are still raw.
ReplyDeleteLook, if you don't have the brains to get your outrage accurate, it becomes hard to believe you aren't just parroting what you've been told.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a mosque, and even if it was, who the fuck cares?
You'll find New Yorkers are long over 9/11. It's people outside New York (mostly rednecks from the middle of no where and politicians catering to them) who care so much. Or people like you, from Australia.
Seriously, take Rupert Murdoch and Mel Gibson back, stay in your little prison colony on the other side of the world, and shut the fuck up.
"You want to talk about offensive? How about insultingly rude billboards along every rural highway in this country pimping your savior out like he’s got the best RV deals in the state"
ReplyDeleteLOL That's disgustingly true and hilarious!
It pains me that I've spent enough time in the sticks to compose that joke, but I'm glad my suffering was able to yield a good laugh for you :D
ReplyDeleteGinx, are you talking to me? By the way, Mel Gibson was born in the US. He migrated to Australia as a boy because his father was concerned that his older brothers would be drafted into the army during the Vietnam War.
ReplyDeleteGinx, Ross is a pretty nice guy, you don't have to be rude towards him.
ReplyDeleteOh, I'm sorry, did I hurt his feelings by being culturally insensitive towards him? Maybe now he can almost imagine what it's like to be a Muslim (or an atheist), and have to deal with it on a regular basis. No, wait, he's just going to hang up on his victim cross, learning nothing from the mean little atheist who didn't know Mel Gibson's biography enough to properly insult him.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't come here for a dialogue, just to tell me (who is married to someone who went to school in NYC at the time of 9/11) how people in New York feel. What wounds? Why is it always people who have nothing to do with the situation who have such emotional arguments?
Thanks for sticking up for me, GTA. September 11 affected pretty much everyone in the Western world in some way. Not being American or a New Yorker doesn't stop me from having empathy for those who are, or for any terrorism victim.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, in case you didn't know, for business reasons, Rupert Murdoch became an American citizen in 1985.